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Post by beerkeg on Apr 30, 2013 7:48:30 GMT -5
I have a 2008 Benelli m50 Pepe, bought as a closeout last year. It runs fine right out of the box but is slow on accelleration and tops out at about 30mph. I plan to do some performance upgrades after break in. I read the owners manual and have premium gas in it and fully synthetic oil in the mix tank. I read on the dealers website that I should use regular 2 cycle oil for break in because synthetic is too slippery and the piston rings will not get hot enough to seat properly. Now my question is which is correct, the dealer or the manufacturer? I would much prefer not to take the plastic shrouds off as it's a real pain putting them back on, but wonder how to get the synthetic oil out of the tank with out doing that. Is the carb and such accessable from the bottom without removing the plastics? I hope performance will improve with break in as it is currently a sluggish ride. Thanks for any information and suggestions!  |
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 30, 2013 10:08:49 GMT -5
I used Maxxima synthetic blend at first then went to Motul710 . A 2T should have some pep maybe lighter rollers would help you . You should be fine with the oil in the tank
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Post by hank on Apr 30, 2013 10:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 30, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -5
I would check for the variator washer in the link Hank posted which is a great one . My Jonway Magnum would easily do 45 and sometimes 50 ( according to the speedo ) bone stock
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 30, 2013 10:59:03 GMT -5
To break it in ride around midrange of what it will do going up and down on the throttle and avoid long durations of the same RPMs
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Post by scootnwinn on Apr 30, 2013 22:30:34 GMT -5
(This is my first ever 2T post, I am one of you smokers now)
How many miles should the break in last I have heard 2-4 short heating and cooling cycles all the way to 600 miles what do you think? I have 300 or so on a new top and bottom end do I keep breaking it in or no?
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Post by beerkeg on Apr 30, 2013 22:45:13 GMT -5
[replyingto=hank]hank[/replyingto]Thank you Gentlemen! I feel a bit better about the bike now. I will most certainly be paying attention to see if it improves any after she's broken in a bit. I will likely at least put on a performance pipe, a better air filter and re-jet the carb, The bushing in the variator is also going to be removed. I will need to have a shop perform these upgrades for me as I can no longer do this kind of work after all the surgeries and not being able to bend over. One of the last surgeries was to completely remove my voice box so I lost my voice and now breathe through a stoma or port just under my chin. It also means that if I forget and bend over or lie down, what ever is in my stomach is coming up as there is nothing between to stop it. A real pain in the rear but beats the alternatives.It was  degrees in Milwaukee today and I had the scoot out for a ride. She did get up to just over 30 mph for a short time. I feel it's not delivering the power it's capable of and you guys are confirming that. Stay tuned for progress reports on this one. I was a bit skeptical about the bike as I had never heard of the brand but have learned that it is highly respected in Europe so it looks like my girlfriend gave me a pretty nice gift. I think I'll keep her for another 14 years. I will be reading more and more of the posts here and learning a lot i'm sure. I was a member at Scootdawg with the same name but was gone a lot due to the health issues. Thank you all again for the solid info and warm welcome. It's made an old man feel pretty darn good. Larry |
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Post by scootnwinn on Apr 30, 2013 22:50:51 GMT -5
Oh and sorry I was too busy threadjacking to remember to welcome you back. I'm glad you are up and riding...
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Post by skuttadawg on May 1, 2013 1:40:03 GMT -5
Break in mileage is not a set number and is more determined by the break in method . I like to be gentle at first and do a midrange break in and later on getting on it harder . At 600 miles I could tell a diff and at 1,000 the piston was not as tight as when new and revved up easier . Its best to take your time and enjoy it .
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Post by scootnwinn on May 1, 2013 2:09:33 GMT -5
I have an oiler do you guys add a little extra to the fuel to increase the oil mix?
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Post by skuttadawg on May 1, 2013 2:12:37 GMT -5
Yes I do as a precaution since oil is cheaper than a new piston . I like to use Maxxima synthetic blend and Motul 710 . If you use injector make sure the bottle says injector safe instead of premix only
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Post by scootnwinn on May 1, 2013 2:19:11 GMT -5
I have the Motul for now
I added enough to go up 1.5% from what ever the oiler does...
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Post by beerkeg on May 1, 2013 10:02:41 GMT -5
[replyingto=scootnwinn]scootnwinn[/replyingto]In the past when I was rebuilding old mopeds and riding them, I did away with the oilers on all of them. I just felt that sooner or later that pump would quit and I'd end up with a seized engine so I just went to premix on all of them. Those bikes were all made back in the 70's.
My first scoot was a Honda Elite 80cc which was a 4 stroke. I see that modern scoots/mopeds with 50cc engines have a lot more power than the old 50s did. The old mopeds were far lighter weights and they were slower than the new scoots. My Pepe is close to 200 lbs.
One thing I notice on the new scoot vs. the Honda is how the variator works. On the Honda a previous owner had changed the springs or weights and the bike had to rev higher for the clutch to begin moving the bike. When it did start moving it was sudden and with a bit of a lurch. Also when stopping the clutch disengaged at fairly high speeds. You couldn't creep along like I can now, it was either go or stay. I much prefer the feel of the new one but would like faster take offs changing the weights could help with that.
I appreciate the kind words and the warm welcome back. At 67 I'm one of the older riders but hardy the oldest. Regardless of age, we all love our rides.
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Post by beerkeg on May 1, 2013 15:56:21 GMT -5
[replyingto=hank]hank[/replyingto]Hi Hank, you seem to be a bit familiar with the Benelli Pepe so I'll ask if you know if the carb is under the floorboard and accessable from the bottom. My son and I had the plastics off looking for a non existant oil leak and I thought I saw the carb underneath right in front of the spark plug access panel. I may decide to go to a performance exhaust and rejet the carb along with lighter weights in the variator/clutch arrangement. We would really rather not take the covers off again as they were a pain to re-install. If you or anyone knows if the carb can be accessed from below, I'd sure appreciate the information. The local scooter repair shop does not seem interested in selling the kits or doing the job, they have not answered my email although it's only been a couple of days and I'm sure they are very busy this time of year. Thanks!
Larry
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degrees in Milwaukee today and I had the scoot out for a ride. She did get up to just over 30 mph for a short time. I feel it's not delivering the power it's capable of and you guys are confirming that. Stay tuned for progress reports on this one. I was a bit skeptical about the bike as I had never heard of the brand but have learned that it is highly respected in Europe so it looks like my girlfriend gave me a pretty nice gift. I think I'll keep her for another 14 years. I will be reading more and more of the posts here and learning a lot i'm sure. I was a member at Scootdawg with the same name but was gone a lot due to the health issues. Thank you all again for the solid info and warm welcome. It's made an old man feel pretty darn good.