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Post by chewbaca on Sept 11, 2017 12:15:46 GMT -5
Hu
So dollartwentyfi you like to make unsupported correlations
And imply someone that disagrees with you is evil
Hay you know who else does that the Nazi
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Sept 11, 2017 13:13:07 GMT -5
Hu So dollartwentyfi you like to make unsupported correlations And imply someone that disagrees with you is evil Hay you know who else does that the Nazi i'm sorry you feel that way and it wasn't my intention. if you want to run without a CVT cover, that's fine too. doing so however is irresponsible and negligent. to use the chainsaw scenario, it would be like giving that chainsaw to a pack of 10 year olds. sure, chainsaws are relatively harmless in the hands of an experienced user, newbies however can find themselves in a deadly situation. running without a cover is on your shoulders, not mine. |
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Post by chewbaca on Sept 11, 2017 13:42:26 GMT -5
How is someone going to injure themselves on the belt of my scooter.
What scenario of reasonable behavior include stuffing your hand or foot into a running motor
Considering the fact that any time I am away from the scooter its off and if it's running and I am not on it going somewhere I am sitting on it in traffic.
considering that .... I am going to conclude you are wrong
But please feel free to jam something important to you into a scooter motor. It's the same as sticking it into a garbage disposal
Not something that will garner you sympathy in a court of law
And making an even worse correlation is not the way to avoid looking like big brother Nanny
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Post by cyborg55 on Sept 11, 2017 17:12:55 GMT -5
I'm afraid I have to interject myself into the foray,,, I'm in the camp that more than half of the lawsuits involving moving machinery and injury was actually caused by the " victim/ injured",,, by getting themselves into moving parts of a mechanism,,, common sense says don't doit but done anyways,,, who's at fault?
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Sept 11, 2017 20:08:34 GMT -5
I'm afraid I have to interject myself into the foray,,, I'm in the camp that more than half of the lawsuits involving moving machinery and injury was actually caused by the " victim/ injured",,, by getting themselves into moving parts of a mechanism,,, common sense says don't doit but done anyways,,, who's at fault? well yes cyborg, the victim gets into the machinery, and it's usually an accident. how in the world do farmers fall into their own PTO shafts? or get run over by the tractors they are driving? it's really easy for me or you to criticize people for getting stuck in machinery BECAUSE WE KNOW THE DANGERS. once you realize that you aren't supposed to stick your face in a fan you understand that. i really don't feel like arguing the point anymore. if you want to imply unprotected rotating machinery is safe, then you go right on ahead. i'll be the first to step to the plate and say, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG DUDE. how can someone get hurt by your open faced CVT? before i put passenger pegs on my scoot, my passenger had to used the muffler for the right foot, and the CVT case for the left. i can just see their left foot slipping off. the perfect scenario would be their pant leg gets caught, makes a half turn of the clutch, then gets spit out. the situation gets progressively worse the baggier the clothes to where flowing dresses can cause you some serious injury. would you really mow your grass with just an engine and a blade? |
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Post by cyborg55 on Sept 11, 2017 20:28:54 GMT -5
Point taken
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 12, 2017 9:33:50 GMT -5
I'm afraid I have to interject myself into the foray,,, I'm in the camp that more than half of the lawsuits involving moving machinery and injury was actually caused by the " victim/ injured",,, by getting themselves into moving parts of a mechanism,,, common sense says don't doit but done anyways,,, who's at fault? well yes cyborg, the victim gets into the machinery, and it's usually an accident. how in the world do farmers fall into their own PTO shafts? or get run over by the tractors they are driving? it's really easy for me or you to criticize people for getting stuck in machinery BECAUSE WE KNOW THE DANGERS. once you realize that you aren't supposed to stick your face in a fan you understand that. i really don't feel like arguing the point anymore. if you want to imply unprotected rotating machinery is safe, then you go right on ahead. i'll be the first to step to the plate and say, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG DUDE. how can someone get hurt by your open faced CVT? before i put passenger pegs on my scoot, my passenger had to used the muffler for the right foot, and the CVT case for the left. i can just see their left foot slipping off. the perfect scenario would be their pant leg gets caught, makes a half turn of the clutch, then gets spit out. the situation gets progressively worse the baggier the clothes to where flowing dresses can cause you some serious injury. would you really mow your grass with just an engine and a blade? Farmers don't Fall into PTO shafts they Step over them, and wrapped up they get.. None of your scenarios apply to me, there pretty darn silly and unrealistic in all reality. "flowing dresses" In the Western Carib a Sunday night at the Plaza with all dressed in there Sunday Catholic best dresses there are none that come anywhere close to the CVT baggy or other. Do you even change your own flat tire with the risk involved?  Mow my Lawn with just a engine and a blade? heck ya the finest mow you will get is a Reel Mower, not much other than a engine and a Reel or Two or more of open Spinning Reel Blades. |
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Post by cyborg55 on Sept 12, 2017 12:51:22 GMT -5
Another good point,,, should have thought about that myself,,, there sure are enough golf courses around here
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Sept 12, 2017 17:26:39 GMT -5
Farmers don't Fall into PTO shafts they Step over them, and wrapped up they get.. there are some that have fallen out of their seats when they turned around to check the shaft. most however are like you said, they were out of the seat, off the tractor. a person only needs to search on "PTO shaft deaths" to get a picture. of course. you are also bullet proof and immortal, right? i'll admit, i've never seen anyone in a "flowing dress" on a scoot. but you, of all people, KNOWS EXACTLY what i am talking about. frankly i'm surprised you would advocate running without a CVT cover. i imagine that i've got about 500,000 miles under my belt, and i've NEVER experienced a passenger car tire blowing off the rim. split ring rims are a different story, and yes, they too can be deadly. BTW, i defer all my tire changes to a B&M shop. yes, i change my own flat tires, but i use either a scissors or hydraulic jack, chock my tires appropriately and don't put anything but my hands in harms way. i carry a concrete block and a few bricks expressly for the task. like i said, i'm surprised that you are even advocated running without a CVT cover. it makes me wonder about your honesty. if i asked you "is rotating machinery dangerous?" you will no doubt say "it depends". with that, i rest my case. so kiddies, let's hope your "depends" is in order. |
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Post by chewbaca on Sept 12, 2017 17:36:40 GMT -5
how can someone get hurt by your open faced CVT? before i put passenger pegs on my scoot, my passenger had to used the muffler for the right foot, and the CVT case for the left. i can just see their left foot slipping off. You allowed this to happen !? That is extremely dangerous! and you dare to tell me how to be safe What the is wrong with you sell your scoot right now You should not be allowed to have one If you even have one. your probably a troll. every single scooter I have ever seen has foot pegs molded into the bodywork or folding metal pegs. You can not pass a DOT inspection without some form of foot platform for any passenger. The back end is wide and hangs far out over both the cvt cover and the muffler both of which bounce up and down in relation to the seat and the muffler is BLOODY HOT is will melt a freaking shoe. So if you did something like that to a girlfriend who was NOT imaginary she would fall off the dang scooter And she would have burnt and bruised feet before she even hit the stinking ground. Also most cvt covers have the air box occupying the space above No room for a foot It's also hard enough to keep a muffler on the bike with all the bashing up and down it does. That I expect with the extra weight it would FALL OFF !!!!!! YEAAARRRHHGGG😡😤 |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Sept 12, 2017 20:11:48 GMT -5
You allowed this to happen !? That is extremely dangerous! i know. it's the reason i installed passenger pegs. the "foot pegs" on my scoot consisted of a 2 1/2 inch extension of the floorboard. my passenger had to pull their feet inward (toward each other) to even keep their feet (toes actually) on them. in essence, they were completely useless as "foot pegs". remarkably the fix was pretty simple, a section of 2 inch diameter wooden dowel passed through the body and u-clamped to the frame. yes, i know, it's the reason i installed foot pegs. my scoot didn't have an airbox until i purchased, and installed one. i only lost 2 bolts (that i'm aware of), one of them just happened to be a muffler mounting bolt, the other was a swing arm to engine bolt. |
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Post by chewbaca on Sept 12, 2017 22:14:37 GMT -5
Sorry I get a little heated sometimes.
I strongly recommend getting folding pegs if you have not yet
A stiff strong peg protruding out from your bike behind your leg
Will break or severely damaged your leg if your foot makes contact with the road at even modest speeds
when cornering more than your comfortable with putting your foot down is sometimes automatic
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 13, 2017 21:18:24 GMT -5
Well ol Buck and a Quarter, I went out again and sat on my scoot with my ankle biter and have to do some Cirque de Cile contortions to get any part of my body over and under the bodywork to get a toe in my faceless vary.. just not realistic.
I suppose under your odds there is no way I should have survived my dues paying years in the equipment business,
So you go ahead end enjoy being curled up in the fetal position in the corner shaking like a Chihuahua 24/7, Im going to go Ride,Race, Dive and Shoot.
Remind me of some ol bitty shaking her finger at me that I need to get off that dmn motorcycle thats no way for a family man to act, or the current crop of Whiney arse NASCAR drivers.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Sept 13, 2017 21:42:54 GMT -5
Well ol Buck and a Quarter, I went out again and sat on my scoot with my ankle biter and have to do some Cirque de Cile contortions to get any part of my body over and under the bodywork to get a toe in my faceless vary.. just not realistic. yes, the variator is somewhat protected by the floorboard. my main concern is the clutch. secure some long leather thongs to your belt. then do the hula in front of your clutch. keep in mind the scoot is probably idling and producing nothing near its rated output. some don't. and i bet almost all of them was due to someones negligence. BTW, you failed to answer the question of "is rotating machinery dangerous". |
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 14, 2017 21:52:21 GMT -5
Well ol Buck and a Quarter, I went out again and sat on my scoot with my ankle biter and have to do some Cirque de Cile contortions to get any part of my body over and under the bodywork to get a toe in my faceless vary.. just not realistic. yes, the variator is somewhat protected by the floorboard. my main concern is the clutch. secure some long leather thongs to your belt. then do the hula in front of your clutch. keep in mind the scoot is probably idling and producing nothing near its rated output. some don't. and i bet almost all of them was due to someones negligence. BTW, you failed to answer the question of "is rotating machinery dangerous". Oh, my bad, I did fail to address your question "is rotating machinery dangerous" The question is so general itself its a no brainer, unarguable fact, Potentially, Yes. I again with nice weather retuning got on my 150 ankle biter in the riding position at a stand still, I not know how long your legs or your what? flexibility or something can get your ankle back to the clutch, Then I tried this acrobatic or aerobatic act while actually riding and my foot is like 14"-16" away from the clutch, just not realistic to condemn as said. On the Farm thing from experience, not the negligence it was more often then not complacency, I was guilty of it myself at times as a young Punk, it was very easy to fall into when that was everyday life.. |
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