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Post by triker on Apr 9, 2013 17:59:49 GMT -5
How to safely lock up your scooter
the best method of locking up a scooter has been argued many times over. Many people I talk to about it are usually in a hurry and don't want to be inconvenienced by multiple locks. People have been using locks for thousands of years to secure their homes and valuables. The oldest Known lock was found in the ruins of a 4000 year old palace in Egypt.Just a little history of the lock.Of course they didn't have scooters back then. They had camels,horses,donkeys and such. So how did they secure their ride? They would tie it up and have someone to keep an eye and ear out. This is not practical today so we must come up with other ways of securing our ride at home or destination. Their is not a 100% way to thief proof something. If you got it somebody else is going to want it more, and thief's can be pretty ingenious. So really the best we can do is to deter them from stealing. Now how do we deter a thief? You can use various locks,alarms and surveillance. The best method is don't let them see what you have. If they don't know what you have they might not want it. but not always practical. what good is a scooter if you keep it in a garage and never ride it. I keep my scooters locked in my garage when I am at home. If a thief gets into my garage the scooters will be the least of my worries as I have many other valuables in there also. but many people don't have a garage. The next best thing is some sort of cover but will not stop a determined thief. Some people might not be able to use a cover due to living in an apartment or various other reasons. Lighting is a good deterrent. Most thieves prefer to work in the dark. If you must lock your scooter outside you should use a well lit area. Security cameras are also a good deterrent, again will not stop a determined thief and may not help identify the perpetrator. Many scooters come with alarms but a lot of people I talk to say the are annoying. They also malfunction quit often. They also are set off quit often by many other sources other than a thief such as wind,vibrations from large trucks ect. the one in my truck occasionally goes of when a vehicle with a loud stereo drives by. To many false alarms and people just don't pay attention to them any more and just get annoyed when they go off. Most scooters are equipped with a steering lock and are simple to use. there are several kinds of various locking devices such as disk locks, wheel locks, hand grip locks, ect. These methods alone will not stop a determined thief. It has been reported that the average time it takes to steal a scooter is between 15 and 30 seconds. This is how they operate. Usually 3 or more people cruse around in a truck or van looking for a potential target. When they find one they wait till the time is right, swiftly pull up two of them jump out pick up the scooter throw it in the vehicle jump in and quickly drive away. There is also a variety of chain and cable locks. Chain locks are good but can be cut or broken fairly quick and easily with little effort. It is my personal opinion that a quality cable lock is probably the best deterrent. A good cable is hard to cut even with a large pair of bolt cutters. but still possible. If you use a chain or cable you need to fasten it to a sturdy immoveable object. If you use a post it needs to be high enough so that if the scooter is lifted up the chain or cable can't be slipped over it. Again there is not a 100% way to stop a theft the best you can do is make it harder to steal than the next persons. Not wishing anything bad for the other person but realistically better theirs than mine. So this is how I do it. When at home they are parked in garage. When at destination I use the steering lock a disk lock with alarm and a cable lock. park in a high traffic area usually close to the door.
Roy
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Post by carasdad on Apr 9, 2013 18:11:04 GMT -5
The law is not really concerned with your rights, or even right and wrong as such. Only that there is as little disruption as possible to get in the way of it's main function, and that is the harvesting of CASH. So what would you suggest take the place of law and order instead? Law and order is needed....collection of revenue for an infraction teaches what?... Make the punishment fit the crime. Just as the kid I mentioned...his was self imposed by making amends to the lady. You may not see this occur because you are busy protecting society...while those above you are looking for any tiny law to make..so YOU can go out....enforce it and collect their revenue. I have much respect for the Police Officers. They are doing their job protecting society...just as I did for 21 years in the military. However many times those Officers are forced to impose fines for simple really non issue things. Case in point....the road I live on is 55mph...3 miles down there used to be a school but it was boarded up and condemned 9 years ago. They left up the "School Crossing 30 MPH" sign. Now they sit and wait in an old dirt road that intersects the main road. Tickets are handed out hand over fist for those failing to slow down to 30mph. The School...the kids...everything has been gone 9 years. Yet you can still be ticketed for speeding in a school zone
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Post by spandi on Apr 9, 2013 18:47:39 GMT -5
The law is not really concerned with your rights, or even right and wrong as such. Only that there is as little disruption as possible to get in the way of it's main function, and that is the harvesting of CASH. So what would you suggest take the place of law and order instead? You have to think of it more as a king surveying his domain, and only being upset, or taking action when it will limit any interference with revenue collection. Your rights (as such) are really of no concern to those in power. The Nazis had law and order. The Fascists in Italy had law and order, as did the Soviets....But where in the the debate did simple JUSTICE disappear?
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Post by carasdad on Apr 9, 2013 19:14:16 GMT -5
So what would you suggest take the place of law and order instead? You have to think of it more as a king surveying his domain, and only being upset, or taking action when it will limit any interference with revenue collection. Your rights (as such) are really of no concern to those in power. The Nazis had law and order. The Fascists in Italy had law and order, as did the Soviets....But where in the the debate did simple JUSTICE disappear? spandi...true and well put. Also right now in Korea they have law and order. As I said I respect the Police and their job protecting us..but being forced from above them to find ways to get revenue out of us is bothersome. I was picked up for a Warrant. The Officer picking me up is a very fair and honest man. Everyone in town has deep respect for him....the rest of them we could care less about. Anyway the Warrant was only partially filled out...no reason for arrest was even on it. He even said to me in the car he knows it was a court error and showed them the error. Yet they sent him out anyway and that he did not want to get me..but he was ordered to and it is his job. He then said btw everything we say in here is being recorded. I said so then what you said was recorded...he said Yes it was. So 3 days waiting in Jail I bond out and get an Attorney...she showed them the error and I was let go. I was FREE as the Judge said. Free?..Cost me $1,585 to be FREE. I was already free. Law and order yes...justice no. Show me the justice in my above story.
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Post by ramblinman on Apr 9, 2013 20:14:58 GMT -5
You have to think of it more as a king surveying his domain, and only being upset, or taking action when it will limit any interference with revenue collection. Your rights (as such) are really of no concern to those in power. The Nazis had law and order. The Fascists in Italy had law and order, as did the Soviets....But where in the the debate did simple JUSTICE disappear? well put... As I said I respect the Police and their job protecting us... their job is to protect the corporation so i guess they are forced to protect some of us since they (slave masters) need someone to tax in this country (i.e. the corporation). this should be apparent from your earlier post. no officer took the time to track down any of your stolen scooters. no money in it for the corporation... more money to be made if you're stuck buying a new one. gps tracker seems like the best option and perhaps multiple locks. *anyone know if an alarm system that will call your cell exists? i'll have to do some research if nobody knows. i'd prefer that over a noisy sensitive alarm.
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Post by carasdad on Apr 9, 2013 20:27:21 GMT -5
You have to think of it more as a king surveying his domain, and only being upset, or taking action when it will limit any interference with revenue collection. Your rights (as such) are really of no concern to those in power. The Nazis had law and order. The Fascists in Italy had law and order, as did the Soviets....But where in the the debate did simple JUSTICE disappear? well put... As I said I respect the Police and their job protecting us... their job is to protect the corporation so i guess they are forced to protect some of us since they (slave masters) need someone to run the country (i.e. the corporation). this should be apparent from your earlier post. no officer took the time to track down any of your stolen scooters. no money in it for the corporation... more money to be made if you're stuck buying a new one. gps tracker seems like the best option and perhaps multiple locks. *anyone know if an alarm system that will call your cell exists? i'll have to do some research if nobody knows. i'd prefer that over a noisy sensitive alarm. Funny that you said that...'cause that is what the Officer told me when I rode up him along side the road. I said..Hey any luck finding my scooter yet?.. He said.."Sir we don't look for stolen vehicles, an investigation is a financial expenditure" Blew me away! So I asked to be sure..."ok...so you don't look for them because it costs money, but you can issue a citation because it makes money"...His reply to me was.."Well sir, that's pretty much how it is. If they happen to be stopped when the plate number or VIN comes back, we arrest them. Or if they try to register it your VIN is in the Secretary of States(DMV) database and will red flag. They call and we go get them".. Ok so they do a tiny bit...but I was surprised he put the truth out there to me as he did about making money..
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Post by wiscompton on Apr 9, 2013 20:42:13 GMT -5
NRA sticker in visible area.
"Guns don't kill people, I kill people." or a USMC sticker.
Or a couple cheap locks.
Its the same concept as running from a zombie horde.
You don;t have to be the hardest target, you just can't be the easiest prey.
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Post by triker on Apr 9, 2013 21:07:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure about an alarm that will call a phone. Some one probably does though. I have an alarm that has a small camera. It is a vision guard 8000. when the alarm is activated the camera will take 2 pictures 5 seconds apart and send a page to my remote along with one or two photo's depending on how it was triggered. The remote has a small color lcd screen and will store 10 pictures. Roy
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Post by domindart on Apr 9, 2013 21:33:16 GMT -5
I think the best you could do is chain it to something.. Otherwise they will just pick it up and load it into truck like the video.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 10, 2013 4:03:25 GMT -5
Sometimes a lock is just viewed as a challange and will scream to some thieves that I am worth taking. A co-workers husband had a heavy Big Dog motorcycle stolen in broad daylight during Daytona Bike Week a few years ago. The close to 1,000 pound bike was chained up with an alarm and disk locks outside a very busy restaurant and still taken during lunch. They saw how the 4 men in a none descript cube van just drove up, cut the chain in a hearbeat with an angle grinder, put the bike inside the cube van and were gone in a flash with the $40,000 bike never to be seen again. The theives did all this before any one inside the restaurant could even make it to the front door.
Let's face it even in the good old days when it was a capital offence to steal somones ride they still did it despite the chance of getting hung by the neck until dead.
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Post by carasdad on Apr 10, 2013 9:21:52 GMT -5
[replyingto=rockynv]rockynv[/replyingto]As rockynv said...if they want it bad enough...they WILL find a way to get it. My mother who is 74 has a friend from Church the same age. The guy must be very naive cause....for 9 days he kept seeing a dark green truck come down his street.....slow WAY down as they passed his house and were eyeballing everything. Well..he USED to have a mint condition mid 70's MBG convertible with about 30,000 original miles on it. He went away for the weekend to stay with his daughter. The 'Green Truck' boys came back..got in the side door of his garage..opened the front door and backed in a Jerr-Dan tilt bed recovery/tow truck vehicle... in broad daylight! Then hauled it off. A few neighbors saw it happen but paid it no mind cause he had mentioned he listed it on Craigslist....so they just thought he sold it. But then I am very certain many crooks do use Craigslist to find items they want to steal.... instead of cruising all the roads looking...all they gotta do is log onto Craigslist..jot down what looks appealing to them...then go peruse and scope out the area. Brilliant dirty trash bastards.
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Post by spandi on Apr 10, 2013 9:48:23 GMT -5
You have to think of it more as a king surveying his domain, and only being upset, or taking action when it will limit any interference with revenue collection. Your rights (as such) are really of no concern to those in power. The Nazis had law and order. The Fascists in Italy had law and order, as did the Soviets....But where in the the debate did simple JUSTICE disappear? spandi...true and well put. Also right now in Korea they have law and order. As I said I respect the Police and their job protecting us..but being forced from above them to find ways to get revenue out of us is bothersome. I was picked up for a Warrant. The Officer picking me up is a very fair and honest man. Everyone in town has deep respect for him....the rest of them we could care less about. Anyway the Warrant was only partially filled out...no reason for arrest was even on it. He even said to me in the car he knows it was a court error and showed them the error. Yet they sent him out anyway and that he did not want to get me..but he was ordered to and it is his job. He then said btw everything we say in here is being recorded. I said so then what you said was recorded...he said Yes it was. So 3 days waiting in Jail I bond out and get an Attorney...she showed them the error and I was let go. I was FREE as the Judge said. Free?..Cost me $1,585 to be FREE. I was already free. Law and order yes...justice no. Show me the justice in my above story. Thanks Carasdad, Sad is it not? The system is stacked against you. Ever notice when you're let go in court it's not because you were found INNOCENT only NOT GULITY Meaning I suppose that the state BLAMES YOU every time a case is brought before it (how dare you rock the boat?) It is a measure of their indifference that they are really not concerned with right or wrong, but with just causing a "disturbance" (even if none of it was your fault.)
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 15, 2013 2:31:46 GMT -5
I link my two scoots together at the fork or wheel with a set of Master Lock Street Cuffs like these: I also use a couple of non-alarmed Trimax wheel locks. When out and about I use just the wheel locks but may take the Master Lock in some areas, as well as a couple of other minor devices I keep for layering security.
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Post by spandi on Apr 15, 2013 3:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by mclovin on Apr 15, 2013 9:51:22 GMT -5
I live and work in a walled compound. A small group of Mexicans could have held off Sam Houston's army from there in a reverse Alamo; but if I have to leave my scoot out of my field of vision somewhere in town for no more than thirty minutes, I use a Club Claw - and, of course, I use the lock feature on the ignition switch.
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