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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 12, 2016 13:26:23 GMT -5
Sorry my reply took so long, I just got the ignition coil installed and that alone solved it (thankfully). I installed it much better than it was, so it's well grounded on both mounting ears. With nuts/bolts instead of the zip-ties that held the old one in place. BTW the part # to the clutch shaft bearing I installed is 6205J. It weas $28.49. They also had a cheaper on but I opted for quality Now it's so quiet, I think I can hear the front wheel bearings humming a little...(just a little) but I'll probably replace them soon, just to get it done. I have a new rear tire on the way, 2 brake light switches (the R one was bad so I just got both), a spark plug and a belt. from scrappydog (great price on the tire! 34. ). Hopefully I can go a while without breaking down again! Wish me luck!
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 3, 2016 8:30:18 GMT -5
UPDATE: I don't know why I didn't try this yesterday (I wasn't thinking straight being so upset at the situation) I unplugged the wires going to the coil and hit the starter button and voila! She turned over. So hopefully all I need is a new coil. I will order one and update what happens. In the mean time I'm gonna remove all the plastic and inspect every wire and connection and replace this crappy looking green ground wire that runs to the swing-arm.
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 2, 2016 21:06:15 GMT -5
There's no fuses on the solenoid that I have.
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 2, 2016 20:53:25 GMT -5
All fuses are good. That is, if all the fuses are the ones in the front left behind the glove box, 4 of them. Is there any fuses anywhere else on this one?
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 2, 2016 20:26:17 GMT -5
Just got my 08 Xingyue260 back on the road for one whole day and this happens..Hit the start button She turned over a couple times then nothing. Starter button goes dead, ground wire attached at coil mounting hole that runs to swing arm (same place where battery is grounded) getting very hot. I noticed a few days ago this wire had a lot of missing insulation. The previous owner had the coil zip tied to the frame rail, so it's only ground was this tiny frayed wire going to the swing arm. My GUESS at this point is that the lack of ground may have caused a the coil to get real hot internally and short out, sending voltage back out of this ground wire making it REAL hot. I let the ign key in the on position and a couple minutes later the coil spews and smokes, leaking out the internal coolant. I don't know where to start. Do I get a new coil, hook at up and pray? I don't understand why the starter button doesn't work all of a sudden either. I know I need to mount the new coil to the frame, as it should be...but then what else could this have fried....if it sent power through the frame, it might have sent voltage through everything...this is getting scary....
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 2, 2016 18:19:40 GMT -5
HOLY CRAP! It just gets worse! I was just double checking to see if I was getting spark by jumping the solenoid and the ignition coil literally started spewing goo and smoking. SO, I'd say the coil is bad. Would that explain the starter button not engaging the starter? WHat does a fried coil have to do with the starter button not engaging the solenoid/starter? I am so freaked out by this experience....one thing after another. Aye aye aye! WOuld the coil not being properly grounded to the frame cause this? It was grounded SLIGHTLY by the small green/tore-up wire attached to the swingarm...but it's been running like that for a while.
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 2, 2016 17:48:37 GMT -5
Well the "fun"continues....I went out to start my scoot just now and she turns over a couple times, then nothing. Press the start button and nothing. AHHHHHH!!!!!! Now I'm stuck at work... I tried jumping the solenoid to no avail. I'm getting NO spark now. SO, whatever went controls the starter solenoid AND the ignition. This is awful I just spent all my $$ getting the bearing fixed and now this. No $$ till next payday and I am lost. I noticed the ignition coil was extremely hot and I discovered a green ground wire that is bolted to the coil where it mounts (in between the two blade terminals) that appears to have been run through a meat grinder. OR it's been getting so hot that it melted the insulation off in several places...Is the coil supposed to be mounted to a metal ground on both sides? Because mine was not. It is zip-tied to the frame rail. Another brilliant job by the previous owner. Here's the pics: and where the green wire goes down to where the battery ground is (appears to be a factory wire as it's attached to the same tab Is the ignition on the same circuit as the starter switch? I checked the fuses- all good. Argh!
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 1, 2016 16:30:43 GMT -5
The job is done, not the way I'd like to have done it, but it'll keep me on the road until I can afford to order a new clutch assembly, belt (the old one actually looks good but it's a bit stretched I can see it flapping a little too much when accelerating. It has a Gates powerlink...is that the best kind for these cvt's? I know Gates itself is a quality brand. The clutch pads have some life left but I'm just gonna replace the whole thing in a few weeks so I don't have to worry about anything. I'll check the variator slides too when I do that. Thanks again for the advice, although it went well, the advice always helps with the confidence, knowing I'm not going it all alone and there are good people willing to help. I think I'll photo document my future repairs so it could possibly help others out too. Cheers! Happy to be rolling again (luckily without having to wait for parts!) John
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Post by scooterglutton on Feb 1, 2016 14:01:50 GMT -5
UPDATE: Tore it down with relative ease. Was VERY happy to see that the culprit was only the clutch-shaft bearing on the left side (in the cover). SO, got a SKF bearing from Napa and dropped it off just a iminute ago at a local shop to replace the bearing for me. I'd like to be replacing everything wearable in there, but it'll have to wait. Money is short and I can't be without wheels without completely messing up my life. The outer bearing in the clutch is starting to feel a little rough, but I'll be replacing the whole assembly within a month or so...I am quite relieved that I can at least take care of the terrible howl and potential BIG problem today, without interrupting my regular routine too much. I'll definitely update my progress with this scoot as I plan to keep her for a while. BTW, the part # for the bearing I needed doesn't match ANY of the diagrams I have got...my diagram says 6025c3, but the # on the bearing is 6205/p53. Strange huh? I thought all of these 257cc Yamaha clones would be the same....maybe not. Anyway thanks for all the advise, I am less intimidated now, knowing I didn't have to call China for parts!
Now I can worry about the tire I need, the leaky rear brake hose (not bad, YET), the rear brake pads, both master cylinders (sight glass is turning to mush, why do all the Chinese scooters do that? Cheap acrylic/plastic I guess), an airbox and hose (might make my own, custom intake. I can't seem to find one like it anywhere, they are different than all the other 260cc one's apparently) A new windscreen (mine's hard to see through with all the spider-cracks, once again, cheap plastic), a new intake elbow etc etc etc....this is SO much fun! (total sarcasm when I say that) But really, my life is so boring without something to fix all the time. Thankfully (knock on wood) the motor is clean and has no issues. My temp gauge never gets over the "C" on the left side, but it does move. I almost wish this thing were air-cooled like my old 50cc was...so simple and less to worry about. But I wanted something bigger and faster and worthy of longer trips so.....I ASKED FOR IT! I am a glutton for punishment, hence my name.
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 31, 2016 13:24:50 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks much for the help! Having Honda #s might help out a lot. I hope the gears and axles are OK too. We'll see! I am probably gonna have to buy a bicycle to ride back and forth to work for a few days while I tear this down, then wait for parts. I will have to ride a few more miles unfortunately until next payday, so I can get this handled. Thanks again and I'll keep this updated with what goes on.
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 30, 2016 14:58:49 GMT -5
SO many bearings in this thing...GOLLY!
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 30, 2016 13:08:22 GMT -5
Thanks again, good information! I believe the previous owner JUST changed the gear oil cuz it looks quite clean. (maybe he knew the problem and this is why he sold it) So I have no idea what weight it is, or if it was loaded with metal when he changed it. I tried calling him and guess what??? "No longer in service" ARGH!!!! Of course he didn't mention that he just changed it. I didn't really do my diligence checking it out. It was night time, very cold and I let the friend who gave me the ride to go look at it talk me into just getting it. "For $800, so what if you have to fix some ." I was like, ya! Sure, I can fix anything anyway.....of course I should have known better. My friend doesn't have to search for parts and PAY for them and have to rely on it EVERY DAY to get me back and forth to work etc. I got hosed and now I know it. The scooter has been treated ROUGH. It appears to have been completely disassembled at some point because many fasteners and clips are missing, it's been repainted, the solenoid has been rewired and replaced and is just bouncing around next to the battery. The tach only works about 10% of the time and it bounces around. Oh well, I will learn a lot working on this and a lesson in buying used Chinese scoots. I am very knowledgeable in auto repair and parts, most of my working life spent managing repair shops and parts stores, so not much scares me....but it makes me a little TOO bold...I tend to always tell myself, "I can do that". Which is true, but I don't WANT to anymore. I have found some EXCELLENT information from this site with Yamaha part #'s and diagrams: partsfinder.onlinemicrofiche.com/yamahagenuineparts/showmodel.asp?make=yamahascBUT, this is all for a 2005 and newer YP400.....but everything LOOKS the same. I'm gonna try cross referencing some of the KNOWN part #s I found for the Linhai/VOG 260(170mm) and see if they cross to the part #'s on the Yamaha parts website. If they do, this would make it much easier to find higher quality parts for it (the engine/trans anyway). partsatv.com Has diagrams w/part #'s, all chinese parts though and his prices are astronomical. He appears to have a warehouse FULL of these parts in TX. But, I'd rather cross them and get cheaper, better bearing parts from NAPA/Advanced. Another thought I am having now is that this could be the gears themselves. I need to stop conjecturing and searching for parts I may not even need and just tear it down. But then I'm walking for however long it takes. I don't want to buy ALL the parts for the tranny, that would cost more than what I could buy another bike for, LOL! I can't sell it without fixing it for what I paid, I wouldn't try to push it on anyone else like this, I just don't do that. So, come what may, aside from a catastrophic failure....I'm gonna learn this thing and do whatever it takes.
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 29, 2016 13:42:15 GMT -5
I am pretty sure it's the final drive as it only howls when the rear wheel is turning. Of course there is also the clutch shaft bearing and 2 bearings on the intermediate gear, so I am thinking just get EVERYTHING, seals and all and do it all at once. I found a supplier partsatv.com that has excellent diagrams and all the parts are listed (without part #'s on some), but EXPENSIVE.....unreasonably expensive. I calledpartsforscooters and they didn't know how to look up the parts without part #'s. Argh! Here's the diagrams and part lists I found:
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 28, 2016 18:39:31 GMT -5
Actually I just thought of this, there's probably no way I'd see metal in the gear oil from bearings. They are separated from the gear oil by an oil seal, wouldn't they be? Scooters are new to me.
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Post by scooterglutton on Jan 28, 2016 18:36:49 GMT -5
Thanks, I'm gonna have to ride for a few days at least. I don't want to but I have to get to work, and can't get a ride. This sucks SO bad. I am pretty sure it is those bearings. I was just hoping to hear maybe something easier and quicker. Oh well! This is my life ! I did check the gear oil and it appears to not be contaminated YET with metal. I'll keep in under 35 mph and check the fluid each way.
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