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Post by kevinharrell on Dec 5, 2016 19:57:34 GMT -5
Who is more macho? Cat Stevens  Jim Croce  |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Dec 5, 2016 20:58:47 GMT -5
Both were amazing song writers in their day. Is BAD BAD LEROY BROWN more macho than PEACE TRAIN ?
Hmmm.
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 5, 2016 23:54:14 GMT -5
Hm indeed. I really like Moon Shadows. But I also really like Leroy Brown.
This is a tough one, kev'. I have to abstain this week.
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Post by larrball on Dec 6, 2016 0:04:40 GMT -5
Hm indeed. I really like Moon Shadows. But I also really like Leroy Brown. This is a tough one, kev'. I have to abstain this week. A PEACE TRAIN as long as LEROY BROWN is RIDING. kathy?  J/k -- i voterd for jim. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 6, 2016 9:07:08 GMT -5
Gotta change my abstaining. I just learned Jim Croce did "You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Slim."
Always loved it since it mentions my fave Lone Ranger.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 6, 2016 10:01:15 GMT -5
Gotta change my abstaining. I just learned Jim Croce did "You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Slim." Always loved it since it mentions my fave Lone Ranger.
I gotta agree! Gee, somebody here that's a big Lone Ranger fan like me...  When I was a little nipper around 1954... The high-point of the Lone Ranger series, Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels paid a visit to my grade school... Complete with Silver and Scout... WOW! Be still my adolescent beating heart!
They were magnificent, just like a kid would expect. They put on a trick-riding show in the school yard and then a fast-draw, gun-twirling and SHOOTING exhibition. Yeah, with LIVE AMMO and all... Then "Kimosabe" emptied those gleaming silver-plated Colt Peacemakers and passed them around for us wide-eyed, snot-nosed little buckaroos to handle and drool over. Of course, there were several sets of those iconic irons and holsters, since the ones used on TV got horribly abused... Yeah, silver and ivory still stirs happy childhood memories for the old chopper guy... Even if nowadays it may be stainless steel and stag.
Wonder what the far left would think of such wholesome, old-school all-American kiddie entertainment at school today?      Lately, I've been enthralled (much to the disdain of the Missus) that some satellite TV channels feature nearly 24/7 airing of the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers and Lassie... C'mon, gurl... You know guys never grow up...and, YOU rode a HORSE to school in Maine through 8th grade... and YOU dis the masked-man and the "King of the Cowboys"? OK, so I've seen all episodes at least a hundred times...
You should have yer' Trigger & Buttermilk fan-club membership revoked... LOL! Ah, I luv ya' anyway... Go enjoy a chick-flick. Now, if one must choose between the Ranger and Roy Rogers as to who is more macho... TOUGH CALL! Ride safe, and keep up yer' supply of silver bullets!Leo in Texas |
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 6, 2016 21:22:12 GMT -5
Have a bone, you LR lover. 'Cause I am so totally beyond jealous you got to meet both of them in real life! Plus Silver and Scout!
I have the poseable toys of both horses, and Butch Cavendish' Smoke. Sadly I sold my LR and Tonto when we moved, but I just couldn't let the horses go. If I'd known then that my brothers would get busy having kids, I would've kept everything. Sigh.
Man, I am SO jealous! You tell Mrs Leo she better get on the wagon and watch with you! NOTHING tops the LR. Nothing!
Aw man.
>'Kat
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 6, 2016 21:25:19 GMT -5
Only LR story I have--I was watching an early ep, and recognized the young man they were helping. Couldn't place who he was though. I decided he must've been one of those B-actors who was never the lead but was in bunches of shows. Watched the credits to find out who he was.
It was a very young DeForrest Kelley.
>'Kat, wondering who's more macho if you throw Hoppy into that contest, too
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 6, 2016 21:28:08 GMT -5
Oh say, talking Trigger and Buttercup--Roy and Dale's kids used to come into my Kinko's running the fan-newsletter. One day we got to talking. She said her Mom always said, "When Trigger died, he went to Heaven. When Buttercup died, he didn't."
Apparently Buttercup was NOT the nicest horse out there!
>'Kat, wondering which HORSE is machoiest--Silver, Scout, Diablo, or Toronado?
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Post by wheelbender6 on Dec 6, 2016 22:03:14 GMT -5
"I really like Moon Shadows"
Agreed. I think it was the Cat's best lyrics.
Lures you in by setting a happy happy mood, and then lays the sadness on you.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Dec 7, 2016 20:14:40 GMT -5
I shouldn't have picked on Cat Stevens about writing "Peace Train" when you consider the period in which is was written.
We had been out of Vietnam only a few years and the Iranian hostage situation hadn't happened yet. The Iranian hostage situation certainly eliminated most of the isolationist sentiment.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 7, 2016 20:20:04 GMT -5
Oh say, talking Trigger and Buttercup--Roy and Dale's kids used to come into my Kinko's running the fan-newsletter. One day we got to talking. She said her Mom always said, "When Trigger died, he went to Heaven. When Buttercup died, he didn't." Apparently Buttercup was NOT the nicest horse out there! >'Kat, wondering which HORSE is machoiest--Silver, Scout, Diablo, or Toronado?
When Trigger died, he got stuffed and put in the Roy Rogers Museum... LOL! Dale used to joke that Roy wanted to be stuffed and put on Trigger's back when HE died... LOLOLOL!
Old Buttermilk got stuffed and ended up in Maine in a guy's weird but HUGE collection of taxidermy. Fortunately, Trigger, Buttermilk AND Bullet all ended up in the collection of RFD TV and are displayed throughout the year at rural events. Sadly, the Rogers Museum is no more, just a footnote in American entertainment history. "NELLYBELLE" Pat Brady's Jeep recently sold at auction to a MAJOR Roy Rogers collector, and will be driven daily on the job!!! THAT is REALLY cool!
"Machoest horse"? Hmmm... Now THERE is a subject deserving a whole thread of its own! As a die-hard fifties TV fan, I watched 'em all... And the HORSES were MAJOR stars! How many of those nags can you remember? I recall Roy Rogers' horse TRIGGER, Dale Evans had BUTTERMILK, and even Pat Brady rode "PHINNEAS" when he didn't drive NELLYBELLE the Jeep... Gene Autry's horse was CHAMPION, Cisco Kid's DIABLO, Annie Oakley's horse, TARGET, and Hopalong Cassidy (the ORIGINAL, very first TV cowboy!) rode "TOPPER". And, of course, SILVER and SCOUT. When John Hart replaced Clayton Moore for a season, he related how much he loved riding SILVER, and, that Silver and Scout did NOT get along well, causing numerous re-takes in the down and dirty fast production of the Lone Ranger series. You mentioned "TORONADO". My memory fails me, but was he Don Williams (Zorro)'s horse? Meeting the Ranger and Tonto (always, ALWAYS in character of course!) WAS a marvelous memory! I'll always remember with a chuckle how Tonto replied when I asked why he didn't wear a feather... He said "Tonto not wear feather". I said "on TV, Chingachgook wears a feather..." Tonto: "Chingachgook MOHICAN. Him wear feather. Tonto POTAWATOMY. Not wear feather." Hoo-Ha, WHAT a GUY! I believe he actually was a MOHAWK from Canada, but in one TV episode he identified himself as a Potawatomy... Silverheels was a name he got while boxing. I don't know his real name, but he was well-educated but seems he liked to stay in character in public. Cool guy! Me like Tonto plenty. Him fine role-model to papoose... and good friend to Kimosabe...
I wonder what kind of scooter or motorcycle "the Masked-Man and his faithful Indian Companion" would ride today? Hmmm... food for thought... I think the Ranger might ride a Harley knucklehead... Tonto? Absolutely, positively MUST ride an INDIAN SCOUT! Yup! I'm sure both Trigger and Buttermilk made it to Horsey-Heaven...probably Bullet, too. Have a bone, and, ride safe!Leo |
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 7, 2016 22:20:09 GMT -5
I have to correct one comment--their daughter said her MOM always threatened Roy that she was gonna' have him stuffed and posed on Trigger. I think she said her dad would always joke that he didn't doubt Dale would go through with it.
She told me it was really weird when they first moved in Trigger. She had gotten to ride him when she was little, so it was hard and strange and opened memories to have him there. She liked it much better after they got him behind glass.
Yeah, both horses (and apologies for misremembering Buttermilk--my bad) and Bullet the dog all were at the museum in Branson. And it was really really hard on their daughter when they had to close the museum 'cause interest had waned and the funds just weren't there to maintain it. Lost a piece of her folks, selling off most of the stuff (including the animals). I felt so bad for her. I can't imagine what it would feel like to create a shrine to your famous folks for everyone to enjoy, then have to close it and sell off everything. She was a sweet lady and I always enjoyed chatting with her while taking her order.
I also had a friend who always wished he could be there when the daughter came in. He was named Donald Roy Rogers--yes, after the cowboy. Was always proud of that.
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 7, 2016 22:27:01 GMT -5
Btb, your memory does NOT fail you. That's exactly who Toronado was!
I hated the remake years later when they called him Tornado. Yes, I know that's the translation. But if you're keeping Zorro as Zorro and not The Fox, then keep Toronado too.
And I forgot about Topper! Although I didn't forget Hoppy--he was always Mom's fave. I've bought several tapes for her. Our local channel didn't show him though. I grew up watching Lone Ranger (and Cisco Kid, if we got home from church in time--"Ah Pancho!" "Ah Cisco!")
That's funny about Silver and Scout. I'm surprised the producers didn't recast one of them to make filming go smoother.
Edit to add--do you know if Topper was also Silver? I always wondered if the same horse played both roles.
>'Kat
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Post by oldchopperguy on Dec 8, 2016 19:32:35 GMT -5
Kat,
I wondered about "Topper" and "Silver" myself. It is possible, but I don't know. They surely looked alike! There weren't many years between the Hoppy and Ranger TV shows. Seems Cassidy started somewhere around 1946 when I was born, and the Lone Ranger started on TV in 1948 or 49. If the shows ran at the same time it's not likely they shared horses.
Those were some great days!
I always enjoyed the "Cisco Kid" too. I always loved "Pancho" and his "brain-dead, but still somehow common-sense wise" personality. When I was little, I thought I was named after Leo Carrillo (Pancho)... LOL! Those old stars of the "oaters" or "horse-operas" were pretty good role-models for us little nippers... at least most of them stayed outta rehab...
My own Missus did ride a horse to school through 8th grade, and I asked her what his name was. Now I'm sorry I did... She loved that horse, and now can not remember his name. Sad. But we're getting old, and I guess we're both doing well to remember our OWN names.
Ride safe!
Leo
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