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Post by rockynv on Jan 21, 2016 0:21:22 GMT -5
I believe the encounter between Good Ol Hildo on his Harley Rat Bike and Ricky on his Fireblade demonstrates Torque vs HP quite well. 25 year old 70 hp Harley against something like a 180 hp Honda.
This is a classic and bears posting again for those not familiar:
Love the victory waves with those oven mitts he's wearing. Makes me smile every time I see it.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 21, 2016 16:56:06 GMT -5
Rockynv,Woo-HOO! Does THAT bring back some memories to this old Hog jockey....  Have a bone on the Old Chopper Guy!That old chopper looked pretty ratty, but from experience, I'll guaranty you it had some sweet "upgrades" in the old mill! The crotch-rocket should have been able to beat it, but it takes a LOT of skill to really get off the line with nothing but horsepower. V-twin torque makes it EASY!!! YEEESSSSS!Back in my day, Japanese sport-bikes hadn't yet been invented, but I had no trouble SMOKING all-out drag cars. That low-end grunt is REALLY addictive, AND will get you from zero to white-knuckles boo-coo-fast! Thanks for posting!Leo in Texas
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Post by rockynv on Jan 22, 2016 0:55:26 GMT -5
That Rat Bike was analyzed by one of the Harley Aficionados that I work with and he loves the combination of Shovel Head and EVO on the same block along with the creative plumbing to get it all working together on the same engine.
Ol Hildo has quite a following and is a bit of a local legend as far as I understand. Wouldn't mind sitting for a pint with him and learning more about him and his bike.
Poor Ricky on his Yamasuki learned that in the short race, torque along with old age and a bit of treachery will beat HP, youth and inexperience. Having a off-beat sense of humor is just icing on the cake.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jan 22, 2016 19:51:03 GMT -5
The old chopper had a few more advantages beyond the torquey engine. The chopper frame puts more weight bias on the rear wheel than the front-heavy sport bike. The chopper also probably had lower gearing for a faster launch.
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Post by rockynv on Jan 23, 2016 2:04:56 GMT -5
The old chopper had a few more advantages beyond the torquey engine. The chopper frame puts more weight bias on the rear wheel than the front-heavy sport bike. The chopper also probably had lower gearing for a faster launch. Demonstrates that you need to look at more than just HP numbers when shopping for a bike. A 600 cc Suzuki Bandit and other similarly sized Sport Bikes and Cruisers should by the HP numbers greatly out perform my 250 cc Sport City however the reality on the road has been quite the opposite. Yes its still a scooter but it surprises them and in traffic within the legal speed limits they find their the ones having trouble keeping up. It makes for some great fun for me and its interesting to hear their comments after a ride especially if another rider when we stop starts bashing the scooter. The best one so far was them telling some big mouth "You don't understand, that thing is scary!" |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jan 23, 2016 11:48:35 GMT -5
The Linhai 260 has a taller wind screen. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to add a taller wind screen to the 300 or add one of those clip-on screens to increase the height. I like the square headlight on the 260 also. Reminds me of the pre-2008 ninjas.  |
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Post by nulldevice on Jan 23, 2016 22:18:47 GMT -5
i feel like kat does. why should this engine be called a 400 when it's actually a 352? it isn't standard practice in engine technology. automobile engines are called what they are, and there are numerous examples of it. 351, 289, 454, 327, and these are off the top of my head. i feel like they should be totally honest in stating engine sizes. partial sizes, 49.5cc for example, should be called a 49cc engine. OTOH, i realize a lot of this has to do with marketing concepts. also, they did state the actual engine size in the specs. regardless of the above, i would like to get my hands on this 350. it would probably be the biggest engine i would ever have. my 250 (244) is pretty much all i need, and an extra 100cc would probably be perfect. Oh the memories you stirred up. Round 1 1965 Honda 65S had all the speed I need 1966 Suzuki 150cc twin had all the speed I need 1968 Suzuki 305cc twin had all the speed I need 1969 Suzuki 500cc twin had all the speed I need 1970 Triumph 650cc twin had all the speed I need Hiatus because of young children and for wife to become professionally established 1983 1979 something Yamaha 750 three cylinder screamer had all the speed I needed and lots left over! I finally found happiness in the 400c to 650cc size machines. Another hiatus -- rust belt years, schooling for me, too much required overtime, health issues. Round 2 2005 50cc Tank scooter had all the speed I need 2007 150cc Tank scooter had all the speed I need 2009 250cc Johnway scooter had all the speed I need 2012 500cc Yamaha scooter had all the speed I need 2015 400cc Yamaha scooter has all the speed I need I finally found happiness in the 400cc to 500cc scooters with no desire to go bigger. May your journey be shorter and less costly. |
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