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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 12:07:35 GMT -5
If I was a shop I could swap stuff around all day and come up with some conclusion but alas i'm just a guy at home that people bring things to from time to time...That is a good idea though if I can find another scooter. I'll call the guy that owns the last one I worked on and see if I can borrow his. I don't know if I would be happy or upset with 3 bad cdi units at this point. Where have you been getting the CDI's you've had up to this point?
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 21, 2015 14:20:10 GMT -5
If I was a shop I could swap stuff around all day and come up with some conclusion but alas i'm just a guy at home that people bring things to from time to time...That is a good idea though if I can find another scooter. I'll call the guy that owns the last one I worked on and see if I can borrow his. I don't know if I would be happy or upset with 3 bad cdi units at this point. I have a solution for you, I sell tested cdi's. John
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 21, 2015 14:37:31 GMT -5
so far the cdi's came from ebay. One was the cheapo orange box that comes with coil and plug and cdi. that fixed him last time. when this started I ordered him another one of the same because it worked last time. when the second one didn't work I ordered one that is gold and says 'best tech' on it, has some connectors on it and from a different seller. I made sure the ad said ac cdi boxes, not dc. I'd be glad to get a cdi from you John but first let me see if I can get up with another scooter and swap to see if these cdi boxes are in fact all bad. I'm not ready to put all my eggs in that basket just yet but this is hurting my brain.
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 15:39:32 GMT -5
The orange CDI's are the worst. The longest I had one last was a month, and they often die within a ride or two in freezing temps. They are supposedly simplified and more compact versions, but I feel they cut corners to achieve that and produced trash. Get a gold Casoli CDI, they last forever and have an advancing angle instead of fixed advanced angle like the orange and blue ones have.
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Post by brandon667 on Nov 21, 2015 16:48:22 GMT -5
Just a comment lain u know ur stuff. U should start ur own shop. My tao tao has a black cdi stock i mean. Is there one i can buy to make my scoot go faster? Yes the pink wire is gone lol but amazeingly my scoot has picked up speed since ive put in it. Could seafoam make it a couple more mph faster? Or what cdi? Give me the link please sir
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Post by brandon667 on Nov 21, 2015 16:50:56 GMT -5
Bought it used with 87 in about a month ago and in the last two weeks put in and 5 mph faster!!! Seafoam im leaning towards just to make sure my baby purrs good ?
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Post by brandon667 on Nov 21, 2015 16:52:19 GMT -5
How many km not miles should i get out of it with stock stuff and good care? Pink wire being gone might hinder that but i need a educated guess
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 17:25:24 GMT -5
Just a comment lain u know ur stuff. U should start ur own shop. My tao tao has a black cdi stock i mean. Is there one i can buy to make my scoot go faster? Yes the pink wire is gone lol but amazeingly my scoot has picked up speed since ive put in it. Could seafoam make it a couple more mph faster? Or what cdi? Give me the link please sir No seafoam has no effect on performance unless your ride was already suffering. Avoid using additives except seafoam (and even that only in small amounts), these tiny engines weren't built like cars and a lot of common additives are for cars not tiny 50cc engines. You should always have been using octane. The reason is different octane levels of gas explode at different points, and using the wrong octane will put your timing off and cause you to run bad or eventually not at all. Putting seafoam into your system after running it with low octane would be a good idea to get rid of anything leftover and liquefy anything you may have gotten clogged. I run seafoam in my tank every fill up or two, just a shot glass for your first few fillups then a half of a glass after will keep it clean and running happy. CDI's don't improve performance a lot, but in combination with other mods they do add up and eventually you can get a 50cc up to 45 top speed and 30-40 cruising speed. The difference in the way CDI's work is that a performance CDI will ignite the gas/air int he combustion chamber at a slightly different time than regular and if tuned properly can give you a boost in acceleration and overall make yoru engine run smoothly in comparison to stock. Stock CDI's are great though, nothing wrong witht hem at all, the max you can hope for from a performance CDI is about 3mph top if you're running performance parts. Although the best CDI for performance is the casoli brand, it is much bigger and is gold, and is very hard to find a comfortable space to put it haha, but it lasts forever and puts up with so much you can count on it nomatter what. I've gone through an engine already and the casoli CDI outlasted the engine, now that's something to say about thier quality. Scrappy sells the casoli CDI I think? Can't find it on his site so here's one from ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/CDI-Scooter-AC-Casoli-GY6-Chinese-Performance-/390691527435?hash=item5af7079b0b:g:MusAAOxyrxZR3bci&vxp=mtr
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 21, 2015 19:12:47 GMT -5
I would spring for the casoli cdi if I was sure it was the cdi....(I know, it sure looks that way) .i'm going to end up eating parts on this deal anyway. Agree the orange is crap but ...... I'm going to get up with another guy tomorrow and see if I can borrow his scooter
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 21, 2015 22:04:41 GMT -5
You guys knock the orange cdi, that is a work horse. I'm not sure where you get them from. The ones I have are work horses. As far as the Casoli's go they don't all have the same timing curve.
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 22, 2015 9:27:55 GMT -5
You know, I guess I shouldn't say they are crap because I don't see them enough to make a qualified statement about them. I only say that because I have a hard time believing I can get a quality part (cdi, plug and coil) for around $12 shipped. With that being said, it did work last time for him..... I'm either going to find a scooter to borrow so I can parts test or I will take my cdi boxes to a shop and see if they can test them for me. Only concern I have about the shop is when I called them to see if they had ever seen a problem like mine they guy said they don't know anything about the voltages I am seeing because they don't test them that way. That tells me they just swap parts around until something works.
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 22, 2015 15:38:04 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if I am happy or sad. I still have no spark but I took all 3 of my cdi boxes to another scooter and they all spark so the cdi's I have are good. Only thing left in my mind is that stator or pickup unless someone can think of something I am missing.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Nov 22, 2015 15:57:52 GMT -5
while I can't simply refute it as i have had only the one experience with the orange cdi, that experience has lasted for going on 2 years. maybe i just got lucky.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Nov 22, 2015 16:09:27 GMT -5
50 volts is the lower limit of a workable voltage but it should allow a touch of spark, just not a good one. the pickups are very hard to get a real measurement on. but my meter is digital and i have heard an analog works much better for this. as you have tried the cdi an another scoot, do the same with your coil and plug wire. also, check the ignition kill wire to the cdi, if it is grounded,which will not allow spark. a bad contact in either the handle bar switch or key switch or even a chafe/pinch in the wiring harness could cause this.
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 22, 2015 17:03:53 GMT -5
even with the black/white wire unplugged from the cdi? that should completely rule out the kill, switch and safety circuits right? I agree it should show something as far as some type spark at 50 volts....I've read even down to 20. Oh, I'm not using the spark plug to check for spark, I have my spark tester on the wire and have it dialed down to as low as it will go. As for the coil/plug wire I have swapped for a known good one on here with no change. If the cdi won't take a charge it won't make it to the coil anyway though right?
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