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Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 11, 2015 16:37:54 GMT -5
The other day I changed my belt and like always I checked the variator. I checked the 3 "v" guides that go on the back plate--- they looked worn but not cracked yet but I decided to replace them anyway. No big deal I have 3 sets of them (well 2 and 2/3).
Well I put the new ones on and the problem isn't that they are hard to go on or anything like that. I know some guides slide on easier than others but that's not the issue. The issue is that when I put the new ones on the back plate and put the variator together--- I see and hear metal contact, not where the guides are but the holes (3 half ovals) in between each guide on the back plate--- that area of the back plate touches the variator humps. That does not happen with the old guides. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I tried 2 of the 3 sets I have and they both touch metal to metal, just barely.
The stock variator I have, I bought as a replacement and included rollers and the guides--- the works. From the same place I also ordered an extra set of "v"guides with the same order, and they don't match come to find out.
The 3rd set I have (2 out of 3) is from a different parts dealer. I'm certain just by looking at them that they won't work either but I will give them a try just to see.
I will post pics showing the "v" guide differences and how the variator back plate sets into the variator with the different "v" guide sets.
Not sure if the part sites are aware of this or not. The other problem is I may have to order a new variator, but will ANY of the replacement guides fit is the question, lol. I'm a bit frustrated right now. Not sure what else to do because I don't want to order another set and wait a few days only to find out they don't fit right. I'm not taking the chance with the "v" guides I do have and destroying my variator. I could try explaining it to 2 parts dealers in particular but I'm not sure if that'll solve anything anytime soon.
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 11, 2015 16:45:09 GMT -5
I would like to see detailed pictures of what your talking about. I would not like to sell a variator if it has the same problem you describe.
John
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Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 11, 2015 16:54:02 GMT -5
I would like to see detailed pictures of what your talking about. I would not like to sell a variator if it has the same problem you describe. John To be safe, I think parts sites should maybe take a look at differences between the replacement "v" guides and the "v" guides that are included in a complete variator set to see if they match up---- maybe there are 2 SLIGHTLY different styles out there floating around the scene, lol. You have to take a look at how the back plate sets when it's in the variator, after putting the guides on to see the difference. The other difference is in the "v" guides shape themselves. I'll post pics soon!
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Post by lain on Aug 11, 2015 17:51:47 GMT -5
I've theorized that they make v slides slightly different as some sets I buy are loose or hard to fit, or even after proper install make the backplate stick.
Is the backplate you are using the same shape as the inside of the variator? Different variators have different shapes inside, you can't always use one backplate with a different variator, I had 2 variators become damaged by using slightly different shaped backplates, that look okay but if you move it around enough you hear and see the same spots you are talking about make contact with the variator inside.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 11, 2015 18:08:03 GMT -5
I've theorized that they make v slides slightly different as some sets I buy are loose or hard to fit, or even after proper install make the backplate stick. Is the backplate you are using the same shape as the inside of the variator? Different variators have different shapes inside, you can't always use one backplate with a different variator, I had 2 variators become damaged by using slightly different shaped backplates, that look okay but if you move it around enough you hear and see the same spots you are talking about make contact with the variator inside. No, I don't swap anything with variators--- and I make sure of that. Everything came with the variator kit--- the variator, guides, rollers, boss, etc... and that's fine! Everything works together perfect, as that's not the issue at all. It's when you replace the guides that seems to bother me. Yeah I agree, I just got back in from checking everything again and 1 set of guides are so loose they barely stay on the backplate---THAT'S the set that causes the variator backplate to just BARELY (I mean barely) touch the variator. There is so much more back and forth play with the plate with that set. Like you said Lain, I've had guides that were so tight you could barely move the backplate. The other set might be ok though if you get them just right, but these will move to whatever position the variator takes them anyway. I can't check my 3rd set because 1 of the 3 came broken in the mail awhile back. I mean I'm talking just BARELY touching metal to metal here, but still. I don't want to throw money out the window if I don't have to.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 11, 2015 18:24:40 GMT -5
Here is what I mean. A little hard to see. If I push down on the backplate and pull the plate out, I can grind (barely) that little hump in the pic and this is with a "replacement set": Now see in this pic I can't do that and it's easy to see the gap, and this is with the set of guides that came with the complete variator set--keep in mind these are older too so there should be more play, but they are fine just worn a bit: Here are 3 DIFFERENT guides (from different sets). The one that came with the variator is the 1st in the pic. I can tell the differences between the 3 easily. They all 3 look different and fit different. One is just right (but worn a bit), one is really loose, and one is probably doable after re-checking.
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