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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 22, 2015 2:03:39 GMT -5
I have been drooling over the new Yamaha S Max ever since Yamaha since the email notifications of their new line up. The S Max features a water cooled, 4 Valve, EFI 155cc engine. Capable of reaching speeds of 75~ MPH depending upon rider and road conditions. Has front and rear disk brakes One of my local Yamaha dealers had me on their email list to be notified when they came in. Reviews were one thing, seeing it person was something different altogether. I was sold the minute I laid eyes one her. We also put in an order for my wife to get one. She's getting the Titan Matte color. It was only 40 degrees out so I didn't for that long of a test ride, but it handles awesomely! I wasn't able to test high speeds and cornering that much because it's in the break in period, but I will update this thread as my adventures continue. Anyhow, here's some pics of my new ride:
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 22, 2015 2:58:39 GMT -5
Very nice looking scooter! I'll be curious to hear how that windshield works out, it looks like it's open underneath, so please let us know how well it protects you. Also curious to what you paid, if you don't mind telling us.
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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 22, 2015 3:30:29 GMT -5
Very nice looking scooter! I'll be curious to hear how that windshield works out, it looks like it's open underneath, so please let us know how well it protects you. Also curious to what you paid, if you don't mind telling us. The windshield is kind of weird.. If you sit up and ride normal, it blocks about 75% of the wind (based on what my hands (unprotected) were feeling. But as I mentioned, It was cold, so I tried ducking down behind it and it was if there was no windshield at all... I think the way it's designed is that it aerodynamically creates a "pocket" in which the wind is diverted away from the rider.... As to what I paid, with Sales tax, title, registration and dealer fee's it came to an even $4500.00 out the door. Worth every penny though IMO... I love my Bintelli Scooters... They have been outstanding machines. However, I needed something that was faster than 62 at WOT. I wanted something I could easily cruise at 70MPH and I don't know if there are any Chinese scooters I would feel comfortable riding at those speeds. I purchased two Bintelli Havocs last summer. I wanted one as a back-up so even if my scooter went down for repairs, I had another to hop on and twist'n go.... I also wanted something for my company to ride. Sometimes I didn't know if people were coming over to hang out with me or just go riding with me.... LOL ... It's what made me think of getting into the scooter rental business. Anyhow, 1200 miles on one, 300 on the other and zero problems, always instant starts. When it comes to "Chinese scooters" I think Bintellis are top notch. Not sure if I'm going to sell them or rent them.....I really don't want to sell them because I think they're awesome machines.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 22, 2015 13:42:20 GMT -5
Dmartin95,NICE BUY!!! No, GREAT BUY!!!For your needs, I don't think you could have made a better choice! And, OOOHH! that windshield... It looks VERY much like the GIVI shield on my Kymco. If it is, you will learn to love it! Mine does make a "pocket" and you can hunker-down BEHIND it, OR sit up tall and look OVER it depending on the individual situation. And the BEST part... It keeps my HANDS warm down to below 50 degrees!!! Woo-HOO! NO bike I ever had before was comfy at 55 degrees! The performance of yours seems to be even BETTER than that of my old 250. The capabilities of new engines is AMAZING! A top-end of should yield a 75 mph cruise. THIS one may be Vespa's worst nightmare... LOL! If it has the torque to go with the speed, you should be able to cruise the freeways at 5 mph MORE than my 250. THAT is about PERFECT while still being a nimble in-town ride! Double Woo-HOO!!!
Please DO keep us posted as you get it broken in and regularly ridden. I have a feeling THIS scooter may be THE answer to what % of this site's riders are REALLY looking for: a 150 size scoot that is nimble, easy on gas and can STILL push over 80 mph... They're a little pricey, but if it can do all THAT, it's a REAL bargain, and it will be hard to keep them on the showroom floor! You got yourself one SWELL all-purpose ride there! ENJOY IT!Leo in Texas
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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 27, 2015 9:48:24 GMT -5
Dmartin95,NICE BUY!!! No, GREAT BUY!!!For your needs, I don't think you could have made a better choice! And, OOOHH! that windshield... It looks VERY much like the GIVI shield on my Kymco. If it is, you will learn to love it! Mine does make a "pocket" and you can hunker-down BEHIND it, OR sit up tall and look OVER it depending on the individual situation. And the BEST part... It keeps my HANDS warm down to below 50 degrees!!! Woo-HOO! NO bike I ever had before was comfy at 55 degrees! The performance of yours seems to be even BETTER than that of my old 250. The capabilities of new engines is AMAZING! A top-end of should yield a 75 mph cruise. THIS one may be Vespa's worst nightmare... LOL! If it has the torque to go with the speed, you should be able to cruise the freeways at 5 mph MORE than my 250. THAT is about PERFECT while still being a nimble in-town ride! Double Woo-HOO!!!
Please DO keep us posted as you get it broken in and regularly ridden. I have a feeling THIS scooter may be THE answer to what % of this site's riders are REALLY looking for: a 150 size scoot that is nimble, easy on gas and can STILL push over 80 mph... They're a little pricey, but if it can do all THAT, it's a REAL bargain, and it will be hard to keep them on the showroom floor! You got yourself one SWELL all-purpose ride there! ENJOY IT!Leo in Texas Leo, thanks! I too feel like I made a great buy... I was wanting something that performs like a 250cc but yet is nimble like a 150cc and yes, the S MAX fits that bill perfectly. I went out for another little cruise the other day and got into the throttle more than I should have but I just couldn't resist. I was up to 74 MPH and was only 7200 rpms. The engine still had a lot left. This is a high RPM engine and the tach doesn't redline until 9500rpms. Hills are now a joke and the S Max takes a hill as if you're on level surface. This is an amazing machine for only being a 155cc.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 27, 2015 13:36:04 GMT -5
Dmartin95,
What a GREAT riding report! I think you're going to open a lot of eyes to this new class of multi-purpose scooter! You did exactly what I was trying to achieve with my old Kymco... 250 performance and 150 size and handling. However, you proved small-displacement scooters have come a LONG way, and have bridged the gap between city grocery-getters and highway-capable rides!
I think this breed of scoots may FINALLY get America interested in scooters as affordable, easy-to-ride and VIABLE transportation; true alternatives to expensive cars and motorcycles. Your breed of scooter makes a perfect "second car" for families (or ANYBODY) and perfect daily transportation where weather permits.
I have great expectations that these new, 80 mph, under 200 cc rides will be THE answer to what American scooter riders have been begging for now for a decade, but technology has only now made them possible. How many Chinese 150 riders out there have spent YEARS and HUNDREDS of dollars "hoping" to make such a ride? Ain't gonna happen.
Just for a fun, side-note, my old 250 falls short of your new 155 on the highway! It will do 80+ if all is right, but it's a LOW-rpm, high-torque motor, opposed to your high-rpm newer design. At 74 mph, mine is at 8,000 rpm and just about wound up tight. I really thought a rider would have to go up to a 300 cc or bigger to get your performance.
Looks like these new 150-200 cc designs are going to be Italy's "worst nightmare"... LOL!
A few years ago, Asian makers were on the right track, but designs still needed refining. My dealer gave me a loaner scoot while I he installed my new tires. It was a Kymco "People 200". I was amazed, as it was actually only a 163 cc, and a GY6 air-cooled, carbureted 2-valver at that. It accelerated as well as my 250 up to 50 mph, and would do an honest 70 mph wide-open... Better performance than most highly-modded Chinese 150's! And, it was an affordable $2,000... Again, in the price-range of a heavily-modded Chinese GY6 150. But rock-solid reliable.
I liked it well enough to take a picture for posterity...
I thought at the time, "If they'd upgrade these to a liquid-cooled, 4-valve, fuel-injected design, they'd perform like a 250."
Well... LOL! But of course, then it would cost $4,000 or more. Well... again... LOL!
THAT is still more affordable than a Japanese 300-350 and such. And handier, and cheaper to maintain (gas, insurance, etc.). Hmmm... I think a NEW class of scooters has been born.
Enjoy that new ride!
Leo
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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 28, 2015 16:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by wheelbender6 on Mar 28, 2015 17:40:31 GMT -5
I'm glad it is living up to Yamaha's performance claims. The S Max may be well suited to somebody like me that only occasionally takes the freeway. Stay out of the throttle and break it in by the book.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 28, 2015 19:25:53 GMT -5
Doggone!
The more I SEE your scoot, the more I LIKE it! I'm told that Kymco, SYM and others are also coming up with these new-breed lightweights. This new class of scoots may be the hottest trend to hit "scooterdom" since the original 1940's Vespa! OK, yes, I DO understand Italy had the idea of fast lightweights some time ago, but the Asian boyz are making 'em look and feel like SCOOTERS again, rather than MOTORCYCLES. If THESE don't light a fire under AMERICAN riders, their wood's wet! Your super-size trunk is similar to mine. When you get to the store, it becomes very "beautiful" as you fill it with more goodies than a scooter should hold... LOL!!! And, if that monster red wraparound light is not factory-illuminated, it's fertile ground for a REAL safety advantage with the simple addition of an LED strip inside it. The turn-signals are simply "mini" amber strip-LED's on top of the red lens, outlined with chrome trim. Here's what I did with mine, when I realized (after getting "thumped" in the rear a couple times at redlights EEEEWWW! As Dr. Phil might say, I just HATE it when that happens... LOL!) that the huge trunk nearly blocked the view of my factory rear lights, hiding them from tailgating cars, and especially TALL trucks, semis, 4x4's and such... Ride safe, and enjoy being a "trend-setter" with that great new scoot!Leo in Texas
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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 30, 2015 18:38:13 GMT -5
And, if that monster red wraparound light is not factory-illuminated, it's fertile ground for a REAL safety advantage with the simple addition of an LED strip inside it. The turn-signals are simply "mini" amber strip-LED's on top of the red lens, outlined with chrome trim. Leo in Texas Hey, that's really cool Leo! I too am all about the safety and I just may illuminate the trunk like you did... When you did the project, did you create a thread and if so, got a link? What LED strips did you use? Running up to get groceries or just out shopping in general the trunk is awesome. I can fit two full face helmets for when I have a passenger... My trunk may not make the greatest fashion statement, but it sure is utilitarian.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 31, 2015 1:19:04 GMT -5
Dmartin95,
Thanks! I illuminated mine over a year ago, as soon as I got the scooter. It had an identical trunk on it, but only half the size, so I changed it out to the "biggie". I secured all the wires above a ridge molded into the trunk interior with zip-ties, and that protects them from being beaten around by stuff in the trunk. No problems so far! You're right about these not making a "fashion-statement"... LOL! AND, that their utility makes up for it...
I've been told that mine actually resembles the nuclear butts on the giant beetles in "Starship Troopers" Yup.
Mine is slightly different than yours (probably made by the same factory) but appears to be about the same generic "2-full-face-helmet" size. And it CAN hold a load of groceries! I even went so far as to add saddlebags for those extra cans and bottles that sometimes remain in the shopping cart after the trunk and seat-pan are full... LOL! Besides, the bags go with the wide-whites and fishtail exhaust. (that old picture above was before I made up the fishtail muff-tip)... You can take the old geezer off of the Harley, but you can't get the Harley out of the old geezer!
I didn't do a how-to post on the lighting. It's actually easier to do, than to describe. Here's a quick guide, and some pix of the finished installation:
1. Be sure the red lens can be removed. Usually they come out easily with screws from inside the trunk.
2. See if the lens has a channel inside for strip lights. They usually do, but if not, you can still insert strip-LED's in the back of the lens, or, attached to the trunk behind the lens.
3. Find some 12v LED strips to fit in the lens. These are available off eBay in never-ending selections... I used some extra-thin white LED strips which easily went inside the channel inside the red lens. I simply placed them in, a few inches at a time, securing them with a drop of cyanoacrylate (super-glue) every so often. They can easily be pried out again if they need replacement. (I've had EXCELLENT results with cheap Chinese LED strips, with a similar setup on my old 150 lasting 7 years, and still working fine).
You'll need to determine where to place lights for the tail-light, AND stoplight. Both can be inside the big red lens. Mine happened to have a small factory light in the trunk lid which I used for the tail-light, and I reserved the monster strip light for the stoppie.
For turn-signals, I used small amber strip LED's on top of the red lens, but you can do anything that suits you. Many amber signals are available already trimmed and factory-looking.
4. For wiring, I bought a 5-Wire trailer "pigtail set with a male and female plug. I used a 5-wire so the trunk would have a ground. This leaves 4 hot wires: tail-light, stoplight, left blinker and right blinker. You must locate the appropriate wires inside the seat-pan area of the scooter and splice the trailer-pig-tail wires in, leaving the end with the female plug accessible.
5. Wire all your trunk lights to the matching color pig-tail wires on the male end of the pig-tail and run through an inconspicuous hole in the trunk. I securely fastened all the trunk wires with nylon wire-ties and covered the main "snake" with flex wire covers.
6. Plug the trunk pig-tail into the female plug on the scooter and test to be sure all lights operate as they should.
7. Finally, seal any holes drilled in the trunk with sealant (I used black silicone caulk) and you're done!
Here are some pix of the finished wiring as some riders requested. It really IS easier to DO than to EXPLAIN... LOL!
Once you get the red lens off, the whole process comes together pretty fast. I wired up the trunk on the kitchen table, checking with a battery as each light got wired, to be sure it was properly connected to the proper color wire in the pig-tail.
You can buy LED strip-lights at Wal Mart, auto supply stores, etc. but they are expensive, and the selection is limited. Just search eBay for 12v LED and you'll find HUNDREDS of selections! In addition to strip lights suitable to place into the red lens, there are MANY factory LED lights for use as running lights, stop-lights, blinkers and such. Over the last 8 years, I've bought MANY different styles from China, and all worked fine and none ever went bad.
Hope this may help you out. Any questions, I'll be glad to try to advise you. Plenty of other riders have done these lights too, so you'll have lots of advice if you need it. But you probably won't... If I can figure it out, most likely, a chimpanzee can do it. I think... If not, there are plenty of monkeys around the sight to help!
All joking aside, these LARGE trunks DO nearly hide the factory rear lights from tailgating cars, and tall vehicles even at a safe following distance. So, putting big, bright lights at windshield-level really helps. (I haven't been "thumped" in the rear since installing mine...)
Ride safe, ride BRIGHT!
Leo (lit up like Vegas on Saturday night) in Texas
PS: You could hard-wire the lights into the scooter wiring, BUT using a trailer-light pig-tail with male/female plugs makes the job MUCH easier, AND allows the trunk to be removed if desired by simply unplugging the trunk-wiring from the scooter. Also, if you ever pull a trailer with your scooter, you'll have all the wiring ready by just using a "splitter" plug for the trailer. And if you ever tow the scoot, even on a trailer, you can unplug the trunk lights from the scooter, and plug into the tow-vehicle for instant full rear lighting. The trailer pig-tail wiring colors are universal.
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 17, 2015 20:22:38 GMT -5
I never saw that response. Awesome Job! I really like what you did with your trunk and think I'm going to follow your example and illuminate mine as well.... ----------------------------------- On a side note, I'm now almost done with the break in period. Yamaha encourages two break ins. One upto 600 miles where they suggest keeping the RPM under 4800 (which is impossible), then in between 600~1000 miles keeping it under 6500 RPM.... Anyhow, I went ahead and seen what she could do. I hit 77MPH (Digihud was 77MPH, My speedo said 82MPH) at roughly 9000 RPM (Redline is 9750 RPM) ..... She cuts through the air as if you're riding an arrow.... I've riden a lot scooters in my day but never have I drove one that handles like this S MAX.... Cornering and riding through high winds at high speeds is a non issue. I am so looking forward to this riding season I can't describe it. I will not drive my car or truck unless weather forces me to.
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Post by meowtown on Oct 7, 2015 13:02:57 GMT -5
I finally bought my S Max in August. I love it. I average about 75 miles per a gallon on fuel. I did a long drive to Idaho City from Boise. It did great through the mountains and did 94 mpg for the whole trip!!!! Blew my mind.
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Post by cyborg on Oct 7, 2015 14:30:43 GMT -5
NICE meow!!!!!! hows the power???,,,,let me guess,,,light years ahead i'll wager a guess
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Post by bandito2 on Oct 7, 2015 15:15:04 GMT -5
Ha! See, now you are going to be spoiled forever. The opening in front is common on many scooters with a tall wind screen. It allows air to travel up the backside of the windscreen to help equalize pressure and prevent air from being just sucked around the windscreen into the space behind it and lets it continue to flow away and upwards. If you are familiar with the concept, think curtain of air. You can feel the air close to & moving behind the windscreen when tucking in and getting your face up close. Move your head back away but still low and the wind should be less in your face. That's kind of how it works with my Reflex scooter anyway.
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