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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 0:24:11 GMT -5
Need some advice from anyone with an O2 sensor installed. I have an unused EGR port that is currently blocked off with a plate. Is it possible to cut the tube down and install an O2 sensor there, or is that too far away from the exhaust port? Here's a pic:
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 8, 2015 0:59:22 GMT -5
Jerry, I would say that would be fine, as long as it's the right angle.
You have to make sure the bottom-tip of the o2 sensor is pointing towards the ground... This prevents moisture from pooling on the sensor....
I have Ecotrons o2 sensors... I haven't installed them yet but I have read the installation manual and know a fair bit on how and where, proper orientation to install them.... But reading is only one part, I can offer the experience from someone else:
Skip through it if ya want till you see where his o2 sensor is.... It's way beyond where ecotrons recommends installing but he's getting accurate readings... These GY6's have very small exhaust pipes and the same o2 sensor could be fitted on a 3" exhaust manifold for a car....
Your distance IMO is fine, just make sure orientation would be bottom of o2 sensor pointing downward.
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 1:11:53 GMT -5
Jerry, I would say that would be fine, as long as it's the right angle.You have to make sure the bottom-tip of the o2 sensor is pointing towards the ground... This prevents moisture from pooling on the sensor.... Your distance IMO is fine, just make sure orientation would be bottom of o2 sensor pointing downward. Thanks for the info dmartin95. Perhaps I could use a 45 degree bung, would that be pointed down enough? It would be easier than attempting an off angle tap.
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 8, 2015 1:12:24 GMT -5
I agree with dmartin95, the location should work. The orientation will be critical to avoid moisture. Ensuring that you have no leaks in the pipe is also critical. If you have any the readings will trend toward the lean side. When I installed my sensor I noticed a weld point that was leaking from poor construction. Once I fixed it my readings were much better.
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 1:14:20 GMT -5
I agree with dmartin95, the location should work. The orientation will be critical to avoid moisture. Ensuring that you have no leaks in the pipe is also critical. If you have any the readings will trend toward the lean side. When I installed my sensor I noticed a weld point that was leaking from poor construction. Once I fixed it my readings were much better. Thanks JoeyBee. What do you think of a 45 degree bung at the point the tube enters the pipe? I'll cut it of with just enough meat to tap a bung. I don't think there's enough clearance above to go with a straight tap at a good angle, hoping the 45 degree bung still gets the tip in far enough to be accurate.
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 8, 2015 2:06:31 GMT -5
Jerry, I would say that would be fine, as long as it's the right angle.You have to make sure the bottom-tip of the o2 sensor is pointing towards the ground... This prevents moisture from pooling on the sensor.... Your distance IMO is fine, just make sure orientation would be bottom of o2 sensor pointing downward. Thanks for the info dmartin95. Perhaps I could use a 45 degree bung, would that be pointed down enough? It would be easier than attempting an off angle tap. I did a double take of the pic you provided and it got me thinking, I'm not sure how well your plan would work, even using a *45...... When I first looked at your pic, I was thinking of just whacking the end off, low enough so the tip would be in your exhaust flow... thread it right into the pipe and not use a bung... Of course you need to know the diameter of the pipe, I can get ya measurements of the o2 sensors threaded area if ya need... The bung is just an exhaust port and you don't need it, you only need something to thread the o2 sensor into.... As far as adding to that pipe....Not so sure how well that would work... I would advise completely removing it, if, and only if, you feel confidant you can remove all the weld build up around the new hole... You will need a nice and smooth surface to have your bung welded to.... If I were you, I would start with getting a measurement of the diameter of that egr port.... Is it angled towards the ground?
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 8, 2015 7:50:54 GMT -5
Jerry my understanding is that the sensor needs to be in the stream of the exhaust gas . If your muffler and engine pipe is all one piece , use what you have . If they are separate buy another engine pipe to work with on the bench . Keep your scooter running while figuring things out .
Is this for the new scooter ?
John
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 10:55:18 GMT -5
Jerry my understanding is that the sensor needs to be in the stream of the exhaust gas . If your muffler and engine pipe is all one piece , use what you have . If they are separate buy another engine pipe to work with on the bench . Keep your scooter running while figuring things out . Is this for the new scooter ? John Thank for the advice John! Yes I'm thinking of doing this to the new scooter, so long as it doesn't cost me more than $100. Most of the kits I see are around $150, but I'm thinking of just purchasing an O2 sensor and scavenging a cheap volt meter for the display. Worst case scenario, if it doesn't work right I'll have to put a plug over the hole just like I did with the EGR port.
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 11:04:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the info dmartin95. Perhaps I could use a 45 degree bung, would that be pointed down enough? It would be easier than attempting an off angle tap. I did a double take of the pic you provided and it got me thinking, I'm not sure how well your plan would work, even using a *45...... When I first looked at your pic, I was thinking of just whacking the end off, low enough so the tip would be in your exhaust flow... thread it right into the pipe and not use a bung... Of course you need to know the diameter of the pipe, I can get ya measurements of the o2 sensors threaded area if ya need... The bung is just an exhaust port and you don't need it, you only need something to thread the o2 sensor into.... As far as adding to that pipe....Not so sure how well that would work... I would advise completely removing it, if, and only if, you feel confidant you can remove all the weld build up around the new hole... You will need a nice and smooth surface to have your bung welded to.... If I were you, I would start with getting a measurement of the diameter of that egr port.... Is it angled towards the ground? The EGR port runs straight along ground level. I was planning on cutting the tube off with just enough meat to thread a bung into for mounting the O2 sensor. They make 45 degree bungs just for O2 sensor mounting. There are cutoff ones like this for welding on: And threaded ones like this that I was thinking of trying since I don't have a welding righ: There are also degree bungs, but I'm not sure I could make one fit: If necessary, I'll ask a friend to weld one on, should cost me more than a 12 pack. If I can tap it instead, then I can plug it back up much easier if things don't work out.
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 8, 2015 11:12:31 GMT -5
Taking the entire pipe off will make it much easier to work with on the bench. Next I would grind the EGR port off right were it meets up with the exhaust pipe. That will give you a very easy surface to work with. Then depending on how deep the sensor sits after the threads will be how big your bung needs to be. Like the one I have was 1/2". You want to tip of the sensor to be slightly poking in the exhaust has flow. From there weld it on in the 1-3 o'clock position. The bung cap will also be helpful for plugging it when not using the sensor.
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 8, 2015 11:15:33 GMT -5
I did a double take of the pic you provided and it got me thinking, I'm not sure how well your plan would work, even using a *45...... When I first looked at your pic, I was thinking of just whacking the end off, low enough so the tip would be in your exhaust flow... thread it right into the pipe and not use a bung... Of course you need to know the diameter of the pipe, I can get ya measurements of the o2 sensors threaded area if ya need... The bung is just an exhaust port and you don't need it, you only need something to thread the o2 sensor into.... As far as adding to that pipe....Not so sure how well that would work... I would advise completely removing it, if, and only if, you feel confidant you can remove all the weld build up around the new hole... You will need a nice and smooth surface to have your bung welded to.... If I were you, I would start with getting a measurement of the diameter of that egr port.... Is it angled towards the ground? The EGR port runs straight along ground level. I was planning on cutting the tube off with just enough meat to thread a bung into for mounting the O2 sensor. They make 45 degree bungs just for O2 sensor mounting. There are cutoff ones like this for welding on: And threaded ones like this that I was thinking of trying since I don't have a welding righ: There are also degree bungs, but I'm not sure I could make one fit: If necessary, I'll ask a friend to weld one on, should cost me more than a 12 pack. If I can tap it instead, then I can plug it back up much easier if things don't work out. If the port runs straight along the bottom go with the bung with the angled cut.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 8, 2015 12:02:48 GMT -5
I have my stock engine pipe from the 16" scooter just taking space its yours for shipping . It will need some refinish work its got some rust . I also have some performance mufflers with engine pipes that might be a better idea . Here is a link for pictures removable baffle for the quiet times . John
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 8, 2015 12:30:58 GMT -5
The EGR port runs straight along ground level. I was planning on cutting the tube off with just enough meat to thread a bung into for mounting the O2 sensor. They make 45 degree bungs just for O2 sensor mounting. There are cutoff ones like this for welding on: And threaded ones like this that I was thinking of trying since I don't have a welding righ: There are also degree bungs, but I'm not sure I could make one fit: If necessary, I'll ask a friend to weld one on, should cost me more than a 12 pack. If I can tap it instead, then I can plug it back up much easier if things don't work out. Jerry, if you're already going to have a friend weld it on, why are you bothering with the EGR port in the first place? Just drill out a new hole and weld the bung on... Way easier than messing with that EGR port IMO. Those 45* look too long... They don't look like they would allow the sensor tip to get down into the exhaust flow....
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 8, 2015 12:35:10 GMT -5
Jerry, if you're already going to have a friend weld it on, why are you bothering with the EGR port in the first place? Just drill out a new hole and weld the bung on... Way easier than messing with that EGR port IMO. Those 45* look too long... They don't look like they would allow the sensor tip to get down into the exhaust flow.... Just trying to keep it clean. IF there is a perfectly good hole there already, I wouldn't want to make another. I'm not going to make a decision on mounting till I have parts in hand, and can determine the best orientation for everything.
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 8, 2015 12:59:37 GMT -5
Just trying to keep it clean. IF there is a perfectly good hole there already, I wouldn't want to make another. I'm not going to make a decision on mounting till I have parts in hand, and can determine the best orientation for everything. I am the same way. It would just bug the heck out of me drill a hole in the pipe when there is already one there. Since you are waiting a little till installation. It may be helpful the get an infered thermometer to test how hot the pipe gets in the selected location. That why you could see if you are within operating temps. My ride to work takes about 10 minutes. During this cold season the location of my sensor gets to about 450-500F.
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