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Post by scooter on Dec 1, 2014 19:30:20 GMT -5
I don't want to name names because I don't want to be a jerk, but I AM going to show you how to kill a deal and make me wonder if I should have just gone somewhere else to shop. Here are two experiences I have had in the last six months with vendors that were less than helpful: I needed some body clips. I BEGGED this vendor to be my vendor.
I said:
"Would you mind putting these on ebay and sending me the listing url?
www.chinesescooterparts.com/Body-clips-and-screws-kit-0122-07.htm "
Basically, I wanted to have a secure sale without worrying about giving more people my information. I had seen this vendor's parts on ebay and I thought, I'll just ask them to list them on ebay and send me the link and that will be that!
But no. They said: "We do not our items on ebay per customer request. Also we are currently out of stock on the body clips. thank you, " I read that as, "We don't feel like giving you what you want, even though we already list stuff on ebay anyway" and "btw we don't even have what you want anyway, and we're not even going to suggest you come back in a day, a week, etc."
So I didn't. And I probably never will. All over some $5 clips that I now get on Ebay from time to time from another vendor who DOES want my money.Now for the second vendor I dealt with. I said to the vendor: Can you get these shims? If so, how much, shipped to Florida?
www.racingplanetusa.com/variator-control-shims-naraku-speedup-15mm-p-22557-1.html
and their reply was: "I have never had a need for shims , the worst I have had with the Koso variators was cosmetic flaw . I exchanged it for the man . Then just about gave it away to someone else and he is falling over him self how nice of a change it made . XXXXXX on XXXXXXXXXX took it .
Keep something in mind this is a hobbie , for me . I don't expect to make a living selling parts . I'm selling parts in an effort to change the way suppliers are . A little QC and some tech help to get good working parts . To share the joy to fellow scooterests .
XXXX And this time, what I heard in my head while reading that:"I don't want to deal with your problem. I personally don't need what you want, and although that's irrelevant, I just wanted to let you know that. I'd also like you to know that your business is not important to me because I just do it however I want to, whenever I want to, because it's just a hobby, which means it's for me, not you, and although I am saying I am doing it to change the way suppliers are, I am not going to help you get a better deal than they are offering even though they are charging an arm and a leg for shipping but hey, XXXXX on XXXXXXXX is really enjoying their variator. Thanks.Now I don't know if the bloke really meant it, but if it IS just a hobby, then I guess he can't complain about competitors offering deals on the site.
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Post by t84a on Dec 1, 2014 20:19:19 GMT -5
Why didn't you just buy from the supplier in the links? There are fees involved with eBay. I probably wouldn't have done it either. The stuff you needed was available. For some reason, you didn't want to buy from these suppliers. Just my opinion.
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 1, 2014 20:27:48 GMT -5
Scooter do you have a link to the shims ?
John
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Post by dmartin95 on Dec 1, 2014 20:48:55 GMT -5
Why didn't you just buy from the supplier in the links? There are fees involved with eBay. I probably wouldn't have done it either. The stuff you needed was available. For some reason, you didn't want to buy from these suppliers. Just my opinion. Ebay and PayPal provide buyer protection not found in other online sources. They also hold sellers up to certain standards. This gives the buyer a certain level of confidence that they may not feel from an online e-tailer they've never dealt with. To each their own, but if a seller has an ebay store and an online store, I'll pick Ebay any day of the week.
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Post by t84a on Dec 1, 2014 20:50:05 GMT -5
Its in his post racingplanetusa
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Post by t84a on Dec 1, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5
Why didn't you just buy from the supplier in the links? There are fees involved with eBay. I probably wouldn't have done it either. The stuff you needed was available. For some reason, you didn't want to buy from these suppliers. Just my opinion. Ebay and PayPal provide buyer protection not found in other online sources. They also hold sellers up to certain standards. This gives the buyer a certain level of confidence that they may not feel from an online e-tailer they've never dealt with. To each their own, but if a seller has an ebay store and an online store, I'll pick Ebay any day of the week. For $5?
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 1, 2014 20:59:36 GMT -5
he was talking about me with the shims , I don't know where to get them or what they look like . I imagine its the type item where shipping is 3 or 4 times the cost of the part .
John
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Post by xyshannen on Dec 1, 2014 21:43:08 GMT -5
Scooter, for the shims, have you tried Ace hardware to see if the have some washers that would work? Lowes also has a pretty impressive stock of hardware.
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Post by scooter on Dec 1, 2014 23:52:03 GMT -5
Scooter, for the shims, have you tried Ace hardware to see if the have some washers that would work? Lowes also has a pretty imp ressive stock of hardware.No. They have to be very thin. The sets start at 1/10mm, about .004 inch. I settled for some that were 1mm oversize on the diameter and all are 1/4mm thick, about .010". I never got to try them out. The variatior, a Koso I think, blew out within a few weeks of installation. The belt mulched, the rollers ate up, and the variator brass bushing all wallowed out. Probably just a bad unit sold by a bad dealer. I don't know. C'est la vie!
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Post by scooter on Dec 1, 2014 23:56:36 GMT -5
he was talking about me with the shims , I don't know where to get them or what they look like . I imagine its the type item where shipping is 3 or 4 times the cost of the part . John It is. The shipping is an additional $10 and I believe it said it takes several weeks to deliver. I just felt that was a little absurd. Thanks for stepping up.
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Post by scooter on Dec 2, 2014 0:03:01 GMT -5
Why didn't you just buy from the supplier in the links? There are fees involved with eBay. I probably wouldn't have done it either. The stuff you needed was available. For some reason, you didn't want to buy from these suppliers. Just my opinion. As dmartin said, Ebay gives me peace of mind. I pay through paypal, the vendors never see my credit card numbers, and I have dealt with ebay for a long time. I have also sold through paypal and the same goes for me. I never saw any CC info. None. All I get is an email address. As a matter of fact, I was recently the victim of credit fraud. Of course the biggest suspects are anyone I actually gave my numbers to, or handed my card to, which are very few. I did not have to pay anything, but I hope the CC company catches the thief.
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Post by scooter on Dec 2, 2014 0:08:08 GMT -5
Scooter do you have a link to the shims ? John Naraku shim kit.Yes. I eventually purchased some similar shims but never got to use them. They are stainless so they will last a long time on the shelf until I need them.
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Post by scooter on Dec 2, 2014 0:18:23 GMT -5
Ebay and PayPal provide buyer protection not found in other online sources. They also hold sellers up to certain standards. This gives the buyer a certain level of confidence that they may not feel from an online e-tailer they've never dealt with. To each their own, but if a seller has an ebay store and an online store, I'll pick Ebay any day of the week. For $5? Yes, for $5, for the convenience of not having to fill out my card and shipping info or share my CC info with people, or setting up a million new password accounts, and also to have a linked reference to everything I buy. I can see what I bought, who from, how much it was, how long it took to get here, and everything in the description as well. Forgot what the tech specs were on a component you bought a year ago? No problem. It's all there, 24/7. That's a lot of service. I have spent thousands of dollars on Ebay. It doesn't matter if it's $5 or $100 at a time. It's a good place to shop. A vendor that's already on there should be glad to sell me what I want there. I will gladly pay extra for the convenience and safety of shopping on Ebay and I tend to be a loyal customer when I find a vendor I like. In this case, I didn't want to pay $15 and wait weeks for the parts. I wanted them right away and that's how most American based ebay sellers operate. I have received orders in as little as two or three days. Not bad.
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Post by scooter on Dec 2, 2014 0:40:35 GMT -5
Why didn't you just buy from the supplier in the links? There are fees involved with eBay. I probably wouldn't have done it either. The stuff you needed was available. For some reason, you didn't want to buy from these suppliers. Just my opinion. Ebay and PayPal provide buyer protection not found in other online sources. They also hold sellers up to certain standards. This gives the buyer a certain level of confidence that they may not feel from an online e-tailer they've never dealt with. To each their own, but if a seller has an ebay store and an online store, I'll pick Ebay any day of the week. You aren't kidding, dmartin. Every time I shop with a new website, I have to search google and see if people have complained about them, about scams, etc, then I have to enter my info including shipping etc, and THEN they often want me to set up some kind of account with them so I can see my order and shipping progress, and I already have tons of those. It is a total pain in the rear* setting up new accounts. Then I have to wonder how they will react if I have a problem. Will they give me a refund if my part doesn't work or is not up to snuff? When I have had to set up a complaint on Ebay a couple of times, I got results. I value my positive feedback and good vendors value theirs as well. *(testing profanity filter: I want tuna on bread. You know, bread, the kind that opens up like a pocket. pita rhymes with rita.)
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 2, 2014 8:14:33 GMT -5
Scooter if you buy from my website you can check with paypal without making an account . I'm with you, I have a cc terminal I don't do phone orders I want your cc info less than you want to give it to me (for instance) . If a fraudster gives me a bad card I become suspect too . Then not having the card in hand doesn't help .
Part of the reason I did not want to touch the shims is , I really am unsure about them being hype or not . I would rather loose the sale , Than sell hype . if this item works and you see a noticeable difference . That is what I look for . I have people call me for items I know nothing about and I tell them . If your variator is not closing up all the way , and a few shims between the starter gear and the variator back plate . Will help close up the variator is golden .
John
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