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Post by h3nry on Mar 11, 2013 17:12:05 GMT -5
Well, anyone have an idea of what HP or Watts and rpms would be equivalent to a 150cc gy6?
I assumed i could find a 11 HP DC motor that could push 10,000 rpm but that seems impossible without going industrial sized... Now I'm assuming electric HP is worth a bit more than gas and that I could change the final drive gears to make it take off and drive at lower rpms so maybe 3400rpm may be enough.... still want 7000rpm tho lol
(My idea is to remove the motor but leave the mount and swing arm and most of the drive system)
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Post by prodigit on Mar 11, 2013 17:47:24 GMT -5
750W compares to 1BHP. A 50cc 4 stroke is rated 2BHP usually (modern ones are 3 to 4BHP). So for similar power of a 150cc engine, you'll need a ~4500W electric motor. They created bikes like this, Xtreme XM-4000 Li and Xm-5000 Li.
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Post by h3nry on Mar 11, 2013 19:23:53 GMT -5
I'm a derp in thinking to keep the drive system... its a waste of energy.
Caution.... theory in this thread! Lets assume the circumference of the tire is 40 inches... at 2000 rpm that's about 75mph.... if I did the math right So if you get a 3400rpm Max motor ( you would never be able to reach that if its not greared down) then you may be able to make 65-70mph without much issue. As long as there is enough bhp to push it against the wind resistance
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Post by prodigit on Mar 12, 2013 8:18:37 GMT -5
DC Electric motors get the most of their torque at very low RPM's (depending on what kind of motor you'll equip it with). Unlike a gasoline engine, a DC electric motor has the higher the RPM, the lower the Torque. It is best to have a high gearing system, and keep the motor under 2k RPM. As long as you provide it with enough cooling, and don't overload it. You'll also need a wad full of batteries.
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Post by ericrockstar on Mar 12, 2013 10:10:27 GMT -5
There was a fellow on scootdawg that was into electrics...maybe it was warstein, or warrens IDK? Think he had like a 5000watt that was quite comparable to a 150cc. Not Cheap I remember, buthe spoke highly of its performance.
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Post by JR on Mar 12, 2013 21:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by terrilee on Mar 12, 2013 21:11:08 GMT -5
haha
read this from one of those links good ol' Jonway
Get ready for a new, expanded line of stylish, economical ZAPINO electric scooters, mopeds and motorcycle-class vehicles. Building on the popularity of the original ZAPINO, ZAP JONWAY is recruiting motorcycle dealers to begin developing full-line EV dealerships. Following the majority acquisition of Jonway Automobile in January 2011, our newly merged company ZAP JONWAY enjoys the backing of Jonway Group, one of China’s largest motorcycle exporters.
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Post by JR on Mar 13, 2013 21:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by prodigit on Mar 13, 2013 22:09:04 GMT -5
The current conversion kits that supposed to work on 50cc scoots like an ATM50, cost a lot of money, and limit the speed to 35MPH. The electric hubs just can't keep up with a 50cc.
The good is that they improve takeoff speed, and can re-capture some braking energy; which aids mpg numbers by upto 25%
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Post by skuttadawg on Mar 13, 2013 23:02:09 GMT -5
The issue would be having as strong enough battery to allow you to go beyond 20 miles . I read an article on Hot Rod Magazine about some guys putting electric motors in cars and run on a 1/4 mile strip . One guy used a forklift motor in a Toyoat Corrola . Backing out of the driveway he twisted the driveshaft and had to get a HD custom on built . A DC motor draws more amps than an AC motor which drains a battery faster and gets hot . If you ever had a high end RC car you know its fun for a few minutes then you need to replace the battery pack and let the other one cool before recharging it .
If you could use a small portable generator to power the motor(s) plus lights that would be awesome . Another option would be to wire up some 18volt batteries like in a drill on separate circuits so you charge one while using the power in another
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Post by h3nry on Mar 13, 2013 23:22:41 GMT -5
Yeah, screw the conversion kits, no way I would use a hub motor at their current stage.
Convert the belt to either a chain or a 1:1 belt drive removing all unneeded weight (no clutch needed, no variator needed, no rotor or stator needed. ) switch the final drive gears to more 1:1.
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Post by skuttadawg on Mar 13, 2013 23:40:57 GMT -5
I would use a belt drive too . I have thought able using a 2T engine to drive a hydraulic pump with lines going to the hubs to drive the wheel or wheels if the front is included in being powered . Some of the racing CDIs for a 2T are only 4 poles and have a much smaller magneto wheel that with lots of testing maybe mounted the the wheels to help charge the battery .
What would really be wild is a steam powered scooter . Steam has enough power to drive a locomotive but having to keep putting in water on a scooter may limit the range unless you could recirculate the steam rather than have it drive the piston then exit the exhaust . Before I die I want to ride in a steam powered car .
So to have hijacked a lil bit but just thought I would share my 2 cents on this interesting topic
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Post by prodigit on Mar 14, 2013 0:52:01 GMT -5
A direct drive on a DC motor won't get you fast (just about 23MPH). It probably would work best with a Variator. Usually DC motors are limited to ~4.4k RPM (they just don't have a lot of torque at those RPMs). A 50cc doing 4.5k RPM, usually goes ~25-30MPH.
An AC motor is more difficult to feed. There are currently no AC batteries, and using a power converter to convert DC to AC, would take more energy than using a direct DC motor.
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Post by h3nry on Mar 14, 2013 1:42:29 GMT -5
A direct drive on a DC motor won't get you fast (just about 23MPH). It probably would work best with a Variator. Usually DC motors are limited to ~4.4k RPM (they just don't have a lot of torque at those RPMs). A 50cc doing 4.5k RPM, usually goes ~25-30MPH. An AC motor is more difficult to feed. There are currently no AC batteries, and using a power converter to convert DC to AC, would take more energy than using a direct DC motor. A motor spinning at 1500 rpm with an output wheel that's 13 inches is going to push you at 58mph if the differential is 1. That's without the variator, with it would kinda be a waste I think( unnecessarily high rpms to get to speed, possibly better if you maintain a higher speed tho)
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Post by JR on Mar 14, 2013 1:46:34 GMT -5
no tranny, no belt, Chain and gearing, goes 50mph this one goes 12 miles and 60mph
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