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Post by indymoped on May 26, 2013 9:55:39 GMT -5
Does anyone else's scoot have a problem with dieseling for a few seconds after they kill the ignition? I'm trying to first figure out if this is normal for a 150cc air cooled scoot and secondly I want to figure out what is causing it. There's no way its from carbon build-up because the motor is too new and the plug is clean as can be, it almost looks new at 400 miles. The plug is a c8hsa, which I believe is the coolest heat rang plug available for our motor. And it is not an octane issue because I always run octane and I put the first half gallon that comes out the gas pump hose in my car just to make sure I'm not getting leftover 87 in the hose mixed with the . Idle speed is also properly set so that the butterfly flap is all the way closed at idle allowing air only thru the idle air hole and the fuel enricher is working. The only thing I can think of is that the factory cdi may have to little advance on the timing causing it to run too hot. Anyone else have any ideas?
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Post by earlwb on May 26, 2013 15:36:47 GMT -5
Too lean of a engine will cause it to overheat. Check your airfilter intake boot and intake manifold closely. You very likely have a crack or cracks that are letting air leak into the system causing the engine to run too lean. This is the most common ailments with the 150cc scooter engines. That rubber intake manifold tends to dry out fast and start cracking and leaking. The large air filter box rubber boot also tends to have that problem too. I have had the rubber boot between the air filter box and the carb come loose and it caused the engine to not be able to go faster than 25mph then.
You might want to go one or two sizes larger on the jet in the carburetor as they tend to be set very lean like that from the factory too, right on the thin razor's edge of being too lean. Thus it takes very little for something to cause it to be too lean.
Another thought is the PAIR system may be leaking and causing it to to be a bit too lean. But it isn't the pair system per se, as much as the vacuum lines going everywhere can develop an airleak. If the PAIR system valve fails the rubber hoses burn up pretty quickly.
The carb diaphragm for the CV slide valve can sometimes be a problem if it develops a small tiny pinhole or tear in in.
If you haven't done it also check the valve gaps to make sure they are OK, if the valve gaps close up, the engine starts doing funky things like stalling out at stop lights or stop signs as you slow down, not wanting to idle good, etc.
Now then one needs to be careful with a new engine, they run more hot at first until they get broke in and run in real good. If it is hot outside and you are riding around at or near full throttle all the time, the engine does get real hot like that. But normally dieseling went out of style with the old automobile engines and their crappy mechanical emissions systems of that era years ago. The computer controlled systems they use today don't have that problem.
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Post by prodigit on May 26, 2013 18:09:05 GMT -5
there have been cases where the spark plug would afterglow because of pre-detonation and overheating. Try higher octane gas, or lower the timing. Could also be running way too lean.
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Post by indymoped on May 26, 2013 22:39:32 GMT -5
I can't buy any higher octane gas than . I know mixing 30% xylene or toluene will increase octane to about 98-100 but I don't feel that I should have to be running that high of octane on a mostly factory scoot. I don't think there would be any cracks in the rubber but will check on that. I don't think its a lean issue because the plug looks great but i will try up-jetting since it never hurts to be more rich than lean. Lowering the timing would not help the issue. Advanced timing will actually help an engine run cooler so lowering the timing wouldn't help since i am not having any problems with pinging or detonation. (its a stock cdi so the timing is pretty mild already.)
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