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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2018 10:25:34 GMT -5
Addressing those who can't resist rudely lying about me, and trying to start another feud...
I thought we were past this grade-school crap, and could get along. SOMEBODY'S got to act like an adult here, so... Sorry, but I won't fall for the baiting again. This thread is for my friends who wanted to know a little more about my history. I won't embarrass my friends by getting in the mud with you again.
I'm always amazed at how "experts" who've never met me, don't know me and WERE NOT THERE have the unadulterated ego to post the BS card.
Please once again check the time-slips below and then drop the subject for good. Yeah, and the "Go Girl" slip was run sans-clutch.
I was there. YOU were NOT. It was MY bike running the quarter, not yours. It was ME and my friend, not you riding. I suppose you think the moon-landing was faked too.
For the record, if I tell you the sky is green, you might want to check it out.
I've been MORE than patient with this garbage. And kind to those who don't deserve it. I'm a founding member of this site, and respected by most members. I post factual fun things from the past, purely for the enjoyment of those too young to have experienced them, things that could not be done today... NO brag, NO BS, just true anecdotes for my pals to enjoy...I'm sure my friends here would agree that you who trash me would be much better served to follow "Dr. Phil's" advice to never pass up a chance to keep your mouth shut.
There is no excuse, or known cure for insulting rudeness. Apparently you just can't accept my attempts to be friendly and get along... Do you guys address strangers IN PERSON and attack them like you do to me here?
All I can do is wish you a nice day and ignore the BS you soil my threads with.
End of story.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2018 11:42:36 GMT -5
Now, my FRIENDS... No BS and Back to BIKES...
 Here I am, 1970... Two days out of the Army and on my brand-new Electra-Glide Dresser! My post-military life was just beginning in 1970. I had this new Harley, and my pal "Mustang Jim" had a new Triumph Bonneville. For a few months, we just enjoyed riding like our posse did two years before. But soon, the custom-bug bit and we began to put our own marks on these bikes...
Jimmy's Triumph bobber shown earlier IS this same bike. Not all pix are in chronological order... This is a long thread and I only have so much time to create the post from all the pix...
And my thanks to Kat for wanting to see the Easter Bunny pix! If I had not dug into paper bags, old boxes etc. I would not have found them, AND all these others... Especially the pix of "Old Blue".
And without digging into old tool boxes, I wouldn't have found the ancient TIME-SLIPS to discredit those rude enough to call me a liar... It is very gratifying when one can pull the rug from under those who enjoy hurting others. Keep it real, keep it truthful and ignore those who run their mouths without knowing the facts... and most of all... Ride safe!Leo (enjoying the ride, and enjoying my true web-friends) in Texas
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2018 14:38:53 GMT -5
I second that motion and send it to the floor for a vote
Came in 50 years ago, and I win.I try SO hard to be civil to you trash-talkers...
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2018 15:24:35 GMT -5
 Dude!!! get at least your own facts straight from your own posts here and on other boards. 
Hey there... I figured you might get a little opening of your narrow mind from this one...
website www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/1ax3tf/clutchless_shifting/"The main advantage of using a clutch for anything other than setting off, is simply that you have more control. On the street, that can be very beneficial. Overall, though, because of the constant mesh design of motorcycle transmissions, you are not looking at significantly increased wear or tear, unless you have the dogs bounce over each other (Kind of like when you miss-shift and don't hit any gear), that's when damage can occur. Clutchless upshifting allows for quicker shifts, often time smoother shifts." This is from a professional motorcycle racing source... OK, track the writer down and call him a liar... And THIS quote pertains to MODERN-DAY competition, not even a throwback to my days where such techniques were not only COMMON but I never heard a peep from track officials about it being "banned". You know a lot, but you don't know it all... And ESPECIALLY you don't know ME. You're welcome...
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 7, 2018 20:08:33 GMT -5
If its not the AR that you can catch the handgaurds on fire in semi-auto mode or the Honda that has been completely debunked or some 79 lb. standing on the tank and being able to wrapp the throttle with her foot up on the ape hangers and surf it without a wiggle or the hot drag launch of a neutral drop by Hand.
Oh and you rand with Outlaw Biker clubs too.. Who? Drop some names.. you been down in Tejas awhile well you have local the Booze fighters and there spinoff Wino's Crew then the Banditos and Mongols, ya right you hung with a the OG Famous...
I gotta drawer full of time slips also and they don't mean nothing...
You can't even keep your Own supposed Facts straight from one board to another
Thats You Below..
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 7, 2018 20:10:50 GMT -5
All Hog F and FL engines were 74 cubic inches and had bore and stroke of 3.4 inches by 3.9 inches. Generating 9.44 horsepower, and around 30 LB/FT torque. this panhead engine's compression ratio also deviated slightly between the two models. The F's compression ratio was 6.6 to 1 while the FL model's ratio was 7 to 1. My custom cylinders held Chevy 409 pistons (around 4 1/2" bore) with 13:1 compression, and the stroke was a massive 6". So undersquare it was more like a John Deere tractor motor, but it went from around 10 hp (like a Chinese 150) to 256 hp on the dyno, with over 300 lb/ft of torque. It would NOT turn faster than 3,500rpm, but THAT was enough... Read more: scooterrebels.proboards.com/thread/2727/goodbye-ride-back-scooter-rebels#ixzz5QT6AVwYQ And here is were you copied it from itstillruns.com/harley-panhead-specifications-7430742.htmlPanhead F and FL Engines All F and FL engines were 74 cubic inches and had bore and stroke of 3.4 inches by 3.9 inches. Generating 9.44 horsepower, this panhead engine's compression ratio also deviated slightly between the two models. The F's compression ratio was 6.6 to 1 while the FL model's ratio was 7 to 1. |
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 7, 2018 20:25:24 GMT -5
Your so clueless on the bike you supposed had that you didn't even know the stock numbers so you found a idiot journalist to copie the snit verbatim.
9.44hp but made 30lbft of torque, how does that make any sense to you? Il help both you and the idiot journest you copied it from.
That hp number is based on a NACC number and the industry only used those numbers to measure service engines like gas washing machine engines, its is a Estimation of HP at IDLE. then you compare that to the SAE number on your pervious Chinese 150.
You have been spouting for years on this board and the Rebel that Blue was 190ci with a 4.500 bore X 6.00 stroke now its 159.7i with a 4.300 bore X 5.500 stroke. what you forgot about darn near a 1/4 inch and some 30 Cubic Inches?? bs! you can't even remember your own lies from one board to another..
And go the heck away with the Chevy 409 pistons, there is Nothing Dimensionally about a 409 piston that will cross over, not even a blank or the Tool itself Sand Cast or Forge.
Since you done know and Im actually not going to help you out with what you should already know at Maximum Overbore you are a Long way off from 4.500, At Double the Maximum Overbore you are still a Long way away from 4.500, At Double the Maximum Overbore the 409 experiences Nothing But Core Shift Problems. There were No Such Blanks of any type manufactured that Big to Turn off all the material into Chips.
Now Your at 4.300 bore Chevy 409 Pistons, Huh?? thats Under Standard Bore for a 409.
Don't even try with me somebody chucked up some Raw 409's and "Custom" bs...
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 7, 2018 21:04:36 GMT -5
  Not Even Close, Nothing about even a Blank will work. Any of the old school BB was Finless Cylinders, the Cylinder Heads would have also to be BB one off Castings. bs Just a bunch of Chrome. At 159 or 190 ci just going into the Valve Train logistics is crazy, the Fuel and Ignition Systems to Support this. bs I nee to find the Billet Alum Rods, Ya right, Billet Alum rods of the Day were measured in 1/4 mile runs and you there them away before 200 passes, and Knowbody made it to 200 passes before they had the motor apart anyhow so go away.. And at 17 years old you had the skills to run her and keep her running is Bunk. Other than Now where the heck pre army or post army and you state on the Rebel You were 16 years old 6 foot 2 and weighed 375lbs??? not even close. Again your words below from the Rebel ...his was a very special ride, as I built it for outlaw street-racing. OK, I admit it: I was a VERY bad boy... At the track, she regularly turned impressive times in the elevens. What memories this old pic brings back! But... Today, it's arthritis and flat-floor scooters for me. In that pic, I was 16... 6' 2" and 375 pounds of brain-dead teenage macho... Today, I'm under 6' 1" and 230 pounds of older-but-wiser old geezer... A few years of riding that hard-tail shortened my spine by over an inch... Ouch! Read more: scooterrebels.proboards.com/thread/2712/away-long#ixzz5QTZezgtq |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 7, 2018 22:49:05 GMT -5
Pistonguy…
Sorry but as usual, you're running your mouth about something the facts of which you were NOT privy to.Yes. You found the F/FL site I quoted from. Past posts I did were strictly from memory. This post I made SURE I had the dimensions right. Not to brag, but to inform. Chevy 409 pistons are 4.3" dia. Read the F/FL site again... F/FL motors had 9.44 hp UNTIL the 1955 FLH with 60 hp. My original was a '57 FLH with 60hp. My Triangle cylinders were turned steel, thin and the cast cases matched, and of course the heads were custom-cast and quite unique by necessity. Triangle built TURNKEY drag motors of the HIGHEST order. Mine was one of a handful they built for the street, with the caveat to me that I understood it was definitely a "live fast/die young" motor... One or two seasons of street riding and occasional races at best.
Thanks for noticing the chrome! It was pretty AND pricey... Chrome don't get you home but what's under that chrome will. With a full foundry forging cranks and casting setup making PROPRIETARY heads and cases, Triangle SPECIALIZED in those race-winning products. Especially turnkey drag motors and trannies. And YES. It was MONUMENTALLY undersquare. Absolutely like a John Deere: You ARE correct on THAT one! 250+hp and would NOT turn much faster than 3K wide open in neutral. And THAT was MORE than adequate for 11 second runs. Yeah, alum. rods WERE only good for 200 runs or so. In two seasons, I probably made less than FIFTY runs to recoup the $20K.Time slips mean nothing? Are you NUTS? They are the provenance of the performance. They meant quite a bit to the drivers Jan and I beat for serious money. You cannot STAND anything that doesn't fit your idea of how things should be, and cannot STAND it when something you think can't work DOES work. Sorry, but it was my bike, the history is true, and posted as I said, NO bragging intended, only for the enjoyment of those who wanted some info on the bike. Yeah, and I was over 350 pounds at 14, and 15 and 16 and 17... And yeah, I had the skills to maintain the $20K build IN SPADES, my misguided friend. I was in WEEKLY contact with Triangle. At 17 I was astute enough to listen to the boys who BUILT the expensive motor... The bike WAS worn out after 2 seasons. It was truly a one-season build IF raced every weekend. I only raced for money, and either Jan, or I always won, thank you.
I've tried to be cordial to you over this last year, and my reward is you once again calling me a liar. Sorry, but telling the guy who did something that it's BS, is TRULY BS on your part. Interesting that I have NEVER initiated a feud with you. YOU are ALWAYS the one with the chip on your shoulder, starting the trash.
I will NOT wallow in your mud, and will be respectful to you and everyone on the site, but you are dead-wrong about every trashing you dump on me.
Let's be totally honest. YOU truly think I am a brain-dead old jerk living in a fantasy world of lies and tall tales. I truly think YOU are a sanctimonious self-righteous loud-mouth so full of yourself that you can't see the forest for the trees. It's a free country. We don't have to like each other. We will never respect each other, but please end these non-stop insults. They may be YOUR way of expressing yourself, but they are not mine.
We are from different planets... like oil and water. Cobra and Mongoose, etc. YOU will NEVER believe or respect ME and I will NEVER believe or respect YOU. You have members who admire you, and so do I. It "is what it is" but let's not further damage the image of this forum over personal opinions.
Let's just agree to disagree without the trash-talk. Please. It only degrades the forum, discouraging others to post for fear of your unwarranted attacks. We both know I'm NOT the only member you've done this to.
Most respectfully,
Leo
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 8, 2018 8:55:27 GMT -5
At least again take the time to get your facts straight a 409 std. bore is 4.3125... Jeeeeez Dude! you or anyone else didn't acquire 4.300 409 pistons cuz there was No Such Thing, and just in advance spare us the "custom" they chucked em up and turned em down. There is noting about even the tooling from a 409 can produce a FL piston, The Pin Height, The Pin Offset, The Gob on top for a dome, Nothing so go away trying to fly this, what do you think some guy called Pistonguy does for a living? My boring days are babysitting 5,000 piece standing orders for S&S.. And you so called og's have to even look up and copy verbatim the stock specs on supposed bikes you had, Im not even into HD but knew straight away the article You Copied was flawed. Read it Again The idiot journalist states a NACC hp # Not a SAE # the actual bike was always advertised with then the fool states the power increase from 9.44 NACC to 60hp SAE. WOW! how did they do that? they didn't! NACC is a Estimation of HP at IDLE, the 50-60hp is SAE and thats all was ever used in the industry. That 9.44 NACC hp[ Bike on the Dyno is 50-60 hp SAE like everyone knows... What HD OG doesn't know this stuff, www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-panhead-v-twin-motorcycles-history-big-twinSo what happened to the 190i 4.500 x 6.00 Blue you have been posting about on here and the Rebel for years? What you forgot your whole. story and changed up all the specs now. just forgot about .500 in stoke and 30 Cubic inches. Tell Us!!! yer trippin over your own bs My Time Slips and Pie Plates and Your Time Slips can't be tied, attached or proven connected to anything so they mean nothing Period Dude.. Pie plates have some dial ins on them but so what they mean noting an I can't prove they ties into anything I had.  And I never made any reference to John Deers, I hated working on Hit and Miss Don Deer's. With all this og technical skills you seem to almost never weigh in on solving or helping even the most simple technical problems by posters Nothing.. with all this experience you would be a God walking on water helping others, but its always been about One things Leo and his Ego getting stroked.. I couldn't weigh you but theres no way you were even 275 let alone 375lbs in any on the photos you have ever posted. |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 8, 2018 9:40:09 GMT -5
It's "John Deere". With an "e". Their twins are NOT hit & miss. OHV 4-strokes. And you did compare my mill with the Deere, and most correctly. You finally got a fact about my bike right. Triangle chose Chevy 409 pistons because they worked well in their proprietary motors. Cranks and heads were properly engineered for their use. 371 pounds the day I entered basic training. Thanks for the compliment that I looked thinner. 168 when I ETS'd as I appear in later pix. All spec's I researched because I certainly couldn't remember the exact spec's of a 74 or a 409 after fifty years. Sorry they differ slightly from my posts from memory. I did my homework this time to avoid what you're trying to do to me. Give it a rest.
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Post by pistonguy on Sept 8, 2018 10:15:48 GMT -5
It's "John Deere". With an "e". Their twins are NOT hit & miss. OHV 4-strokes. And you did compare my mill with the Deere, and most correctly. You finally got a fact about my bike right. Triangle chose Chevy 409 pistons because they worked well in their proprietary motors. Cranks and heads were properly engineered for their use. 371 pounds the day I entered basic training. Thanks for the compliment that I looked thinner. 168 when I ETS'd as I appear in later pix. All spec's I researched because I certainly couldn't remember the exact spec's of a 74 or a 409 after fifty years. Sorry they differ slightly from my posts from memory. I did my homework this time to avoid what you're trying to do to me. Give it a rest. Don Deere was a inside joke at PR & co that was a IH dealer. I made no reference if I working on the Twins witch I did along with Hit and Miss. I hated that big it slow moving stuff.. give me a 426ci IH Deisel.. You have been completely debunked in using 409 Pistons in a HD you never had your hand on them and somewhere have been completely misinformed or made it up. I can't even get the Pin Height or Diameter to fit the Tool dude! for that matter you can say "Custom" to anything Again what do you think Piston dude has been doing for most of his life. So again what happened to the 4.500 bore x 6.00 stroke 190 ci you have been spewing about for years?? Tell Us. and they were using 4.500 409 Pistons that not even the Forge or Cast made a blank that big. Tell Us! |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 8, 2018 12:52:47 GMT -5
OK, here it is for the LAST time!My older posts were best-guess stats from memory fifty years ago. None of my friends care if they were not absolute... They were not exact and BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU I researched the net for the EXACT dimensions. What IS it about you that you can't treat members with any respect? FOR THE LAST TIME... The ORIGINAL cylinder bore was 3.4". ORIGINAL stroke was 3.9" for 74CID as/per H/D sites.
My new motor from Triangle had NOTHING in common with a H/D product except for cosmetic appearance and the lifters.The BORE of the new (NOT OVERBORED stock) steel cylinders had to be 4.3" as/per 409 specs, again off a Chevy site. The STROKE of the new crank was 1 1/2" over stock, or 5.5" (OK, just for YOU, 5.4" 1 1/2 over the stock 3.9) for an EXACT displacement of 156.84CID... Do NOT call me a liar over that!.
THESE are the proper stats... Sorry my fun-post estimates were not to the thousandth... Nobody but you gives a crap...Cheesh! So, all my friends, disregard dimensions in my older estimated posts, THESE are the exact numbers. Now are you happy?Cases: Triangle proprietary castings to house stroker and oversize proprietary Triangle steel cylinders, topped off with proprietary Triangle alloy heads. The entire assembly was ROPRIETARY TRIANGLE PARTS... and of course I never had hands on the 409 pistons. They were inside the cylinders where they belong.
And, YES, the crank, rods, pushrods, rockers... EVERYTHING was PROPERLY ENGINEERED to use the 409 pistons. Why the Chevy pistons? Because Triangle liked them and built many 9-second strip-only motors using them.
You are so obsessed with trashing me that you don't LISTEN to the facts.
Do you think I don't KNOW what my bike was made from? Do you think little Ray and I made the bike in the back yard with Bondo and Vice Grips? Do you think I didn't understand the quarter-mile after winning enough to pay off that engine? Are you REALLY that blind, or just so blind-raging at me that you just vent and vent? And by the way, zippy, ScooterRebels won't put up with this garbage. You are very knowledgeable on modern engines. But you are so far in left field concerning my bike that it's pathetic.
Just read your ranting posts over something that is fifty years past and is not even relevant today and you'll see you're trashing not only me, but this forum.If we could sit down in person, and you could shut your mouth and open your ears for 20 minutes, we could probably be friends.Please open my thread addressed to you, and cyborg55. All your venom and acrimony toward me could have been resolved civilly with a few minutes of courteous dialog. Now please, no more phony "debunking" of the truth, and please, no more spreading your hate posts to other sites. I have no more time to play this game. I have serious issues with my Wife's health to deal with and THAT takes precedence over this scool-yard "he say/she say" infantile garbage.
You can play this sick game all you want, but you'll have to play with yourself.  Betty and I both have serious health problems. I have no time for games anymore. I have not even had time to ride the scooter this month so you can hopefully understand the low priority of this idiocy.With due respect, Leo PS: Concerning my early outlaw days, my club was the Chicago Rolling Lords. The Bandidos were responsible for stealing my 1970 bagger and I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the Booze Fighters. Still one or two riding around Grapevine. They were true originals... In my mind, more so than the Angels. When the big clubs turned to organized crime, I turned to organized business. Most of us eventually grow up... Everyone should try that...LOL.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Sept 9, 2018 9:36:20 GMT -5
Old Blue was a real looker, even if it was red.
I bet you wish you could have kept the Porsche 356. A body kit for a 356 replica costs 20 grand these days.Chassis and mechanicals are extra.
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Post by SylvreKat on Sept 9, 2018 17:08:08 GMT -5
Hey piston--why are you bothering to read these? You've already established you don't believe Leo's stories. You think he's wrong. Ok. Fine. We get it. But you know what?
I. DON'T. CARE.
He's telling what he remembers. Sometimes memories aren't accurate. So what? Did you call your own uncle a liar when he either misremembered or embellished facts telling a story from his past? You've never ever embellished a story to make it better telling to your buddies?
Just because you think you know otherwise, doesn't make it right for you to get all puffed up about what Leo is telling. Let him tell his tales. If they so offend you, well you know, nobody makes you click on this thread and read them.
>K
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