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Post by fugaziiv on Apr 26, 2017 9:44:04 GMT -5
I would like to have a variator with steel parts cast aluminum gets grooves and pits so fast Or at least a variator made in America cut out of good strong 6160 anodized and heat treated. I also have no use for the fan on the face plate. Dr. Pulley makes a QMB139 variator with a fanless steel face plate. www.partsforscooters.com/169-266_Dr_Pulley_VariatorAs for a made in the USA part, how much are you willing to pay? I'd like to know, it allows me to gauge if this is something I could pursue in the future. I have a hunch that it would be too expensive to warrant. Matt |
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 26, 2017 11:18:45 GMT -5
Yea I see them little 50 variator faces out of steel. It makes me wish that was the way it's done for the 150.
Steel pulley with a removable fan would be nice
I am almost tempted to find a machine shop and have one made. But somehow I think I will end up with something inferior to what I can do myself. I don't wanna pay some ars
$80 an hour for 3hours. To do something I can do in half an hour with that same equipment.
Not that your an ars or incompetent I was referring to the local "talent"
For a hardened cast steel cam pulley I would pay $60
An anodized aluminum 6160 face pulley with a nice smooth face would be worth about $40
In steel about $30
An aluminum clutch bell with a removable steel liner would be worth about a $100
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 26, 2017 12:45:23 GMT -5
Problem is the profit margin is just not there, this Scooter market is trained for very low cost junk parts and upselling is very difficult. never made it out of the meeting room. I could do the same with some very high end Forged pistons and even Cylinders and Nikasil them, same gig the market just=t hasn't shown it would step up to quality American made components. NCY already has a face plate without the fan. See here.......... www.dansgaragetalk.com/topic/686-ankle-biter-nibbi-clutch-ncy-vari-upgrade/?page=1Yea I have seen that one it's very nice. The one I have been drooling over is the codeword JDM pulley with the shotgun brass Inserts. I like more flywheel I get a better launch and less variator slapping. I made this as an experiment  At first this had no effect other than eliminating variator slap And surprising to me easier starting. But after I cut my clutch weight it had a noticeable effect on launch. This guy has a good explanation so I will let him do it I managed to get 500 RPM out of it before I got tired of filing and weighing. |
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Post by heedehcheenuh on Apr 27, 2017 16:44:59 GMT -5
I prefer to not strain the motor and lower the rpm to rum at speed.(Better for longevity) Always puzzling why NOT initially selecting a scooter with sufficient engine cc's to CRUISE at desired speed preference appears to be a "denial issue"? The 50cc 4-stroke crowd seems to expect their 35mph scoots should go 50mph . . and 150cc 55mph scoots should go 70mph! The point is some can not afford the Suzuki Burgman 200 or the Honda Forza (Both above the 70+mph max speed) Yet a 150cc can probably achieve 70+mph with the proper gearing clutch set up. I worked for 30+ years and now I am disabled so my funding is real short. I want to get into scooters and got cleared for the Honda PCX 150 but even it has a top speed under 70mph. Here in S.C. we have open country roads and I would like that little umph to get out of being a rolling road block. Now I do understand Chinese scoots speedometers read way off the mark yet the motor has enough power to stroll up to 70mph given the power to weight ratio.
As an old hot rod builder I know how to get the power to weight ratio just right. Right now I am looking at hot rod building scooters as a hobby and have one fast enough to stay out of trouble here lol. I figure the 18/36 ratio would give the top speed if needed and not kill the motor running 55-60mph. Then later go with a big bore 180-200cc kit if needed. it is all good and will be fun as the cost for Chinese scooters and parts are cheap enough. When I get started I will have videos( if the camera works right) of GPS speeds with the gear changes.
Thanks...
Heedecheenuh
Chuck D
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 27, 2017 18:58:20 GMT -5
If you're going to be running at faster speeds I recommend The IRC SS-530 rear 130/70-13 This rear tire cost twice as much but will last ×4 And Shinko SR567F front - 110/  -13/Blackwall Together they will drop your RPM about 500 and get the Chinese speedometer closer to honesty |
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Post by heedehcheenuh on Apr 27, 2017 20:08:35 GMT -5
If you're going to be running at faster speeds I recommend The IRC SS-530 rear 130/70-13 This rear tire cost twice as much but will last ×4 And Shinko SR567F front - 110/ -13/Blackwall Together they will drop your RPM about 500 and get the Chinese speedometer closer to honesty Thanks for the info. I will look into it. My SSDI does not start until July and being we have all this nice weather here in S.C. I am wanting to ride so bad. Not looking for wide open throttle or jack rabbit runs...just the ride with out killing the poor motor with my old butt lol. I am taking notes from all the sites and info as well as videos about BBK gears and tire ratios to make something work reliably. Heck I have even looked into the complete LED conversion front and rear to save on the wattage so I can add a few things for safety. This will be fun. I have built many a hot rod from the '70s-'90s then had to retire from R.A. (Rheumatoid Arthritis). Those days in the USAF have caught up with my old butt. lol Heedehcheenuh Chuck D Ride on..... Working on getting the Tao-Tao Powermax 150 |
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