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Post by rockynv on Dec 19, 2016 12:51:12 GMT -5
These are a bit pricey but look interesting.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Dec 19, 2016 19:04:06 GMT -5
I'm sure they are much faster (and safer) than the original vintage machines that they are imitating. Still a steep price for a 250 single.
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Post by 4950cycle on Dec 19, 2016 20:21:42 GMT -5
JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / Believe it or not I bet you a bunch they are a good deal slower than the originals. The reason being is the Honda engines of the day were Over head cam engines. I can tell by the heads I am seeing here that these engines are Over head VALVE. The early 4 stroke engines in this style bike were race bread engines Honda sold in the 90cc, 100cc, 125cc single cylinder CL, SL and so on bikes. I have a 1976 CL 125cc Honda that will outrun my 250 cc Bobber. They are both 4 stroke singles . The difference is the 250 is a OHV and the 125 is an OHC. BIG difference in how they perform. They sell the OHV engines these days because they are easier to warranty. They are longer lived due to the mild nature of that design. The over head cam design usually does'nt last as long because you can over rev them and run the snot out of them. But boy are they more fun !
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Post by rockynv on Dec 20, 2016 1:25:51 GMT -5
JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / Believe it or not I bet you a bunch they are a good deal slower than the originals. The reason being is the Honda engines of the day were Over head cam engines. I can tell by the heads I am seeing here that these engines are Over head VALVE. The early 4 stroke engines in this style bike were race bread engines Honda sold in the 90cc, 100cc, 125cc single cylinder CL, SL and so on bikes. I have a 1976 CL 125cc Honda that will outrun my 250 cc Bobber. They are both 4 stroke singles . The difference is the 250 is a OHV and the 125 is an OHC. BIG difference in how they perform. They sell the OHV engines these days because they are easier to warranty. They are longer lived due to the mild nature of that design. The over head cam design usually does'nt last as long because you can over rev them and run the snot out of them. But boy are they more fun ! These are powered by the 229cc 5 speed Classic Honda clone engines from China and have a balance shaft added to them. I enjoy thoroughly the 4 Valve OHC 249cc engine in my bike. Should last close to 100,000 miles if you follow the published maintenance schedule and use the recommended fluids. For the $7,000+ price tag I thought Janus should have used a more elegant power plant under the bikes than what they chose however they are nostalgic and basically hand made customs. Still for that money you can get a Honda DCT 700 and for less a Piaggio BV350 that will run circles around the Janus and be much more reliable. |
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Post by w650 on Dec 21, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5
These are Honda CG-250 clone motors, probably from Lifan. If they look familiar, they should. Scott Colosimo installs these engines in his CPI built Cleveland Cyclewerks line at $3500. Colosimo had his bikes not only EPA certified but CARB approved. This engine is a push rod, two valve motor designed for worst case conditions in the Third World and probably will never wear out in the right hands. This engine is also powering numerous inexpensive Dual Purpose and Road bikes from online sellers for under $2k. www.powersportsmax.com/product_info.php/cPath/482/products_id/20540en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_CycleWerks |
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Post by cyborg on Dec 21, 2016 19:58:09 GMT -5
Not my cup of tea,, especially for the price
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Post by rockynv on Dec 22, 2016 0:04:32 GMT -5
Some have the 223cc and others have the 229cc with the 229 having less hp along with less torque losing about 10 or so mph top speed compared to the 223. Most of the 223 that I have seen so far are not certified for sale in California.
CCW uses engines from both CPI and Lifan with at least one OHC option too.
The Janus while nostalgic and nice to look at I can't justify the cost at more than triple what other vendors sell bikes based on either the 223 or 229 engines be they from CPI or Lifan. They are nice examples though of what can be done with a basic engine, tubing and off the shelf parts.
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Post by w650 on Dec 22, 2016 13:10:39 GMT -5
This was the first article I read about CCW. www.cycleworld.com/2011/01/28/cleveland-cycle-werks-heist-riding-impressionThe strength of this engine jumped out at me when I read this. Colosimo dropped off two Heists at our offices, each with 4 kilometers showing on their metric odometers, and encouraged us to flog away. Break-in period? Not so much. Colosimo says he’s put 100,000 miles on three test Heists, along with FEA and stress-testing of all sorts of components.
That kind of reliability can't be ignored. Imagine spending $2k on a Chinese online motorcycle and seeing that kind of mileage. Almost free money. |
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Post by rockynv on Dec 22, 2016 23:39:33 GMT -5
Still 20 mph shy for serious commuting where any Interstates are concerned. Cost more than I paid new for my 249cc 4 valve overhead cam Aprilia with double the hp. Cleveland Cycle Works bikes sell for over $3,000 while my Piaggio powered Aprilia was less than $3,000. Get the hp into the mid 20's and speeds closer to whats needed for occasional rides on the interstate and I could justify the $3,300 base price of the CCW 229cc bikes. They do not need to match the performance of the 150 mph Aprilia RS250 just come closer to what you can get from the Aprilia 250cc scooters that many of us bought new for $2,999.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 8, 2017 17:45:40 GMT -5
For nostalgia, I cannot find a reason to choose one of these over, say, a Yamaha SR400.
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Post by 4950cycle on Jan 8, 2017 23:54:58 GMT -5
JCL MP250A Lihai 257cc powered / But ya gotta love that CVT if set up right on a scooter. It will accelerate just as fast or faster than raking gears but without the fuss and muss. The SR 400 you still have to rake gears, gauge a clutch lever to stop and go. Now that I'm "Not" doing wheelies and burnouts I can do without all that.
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