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Post by JerryScript on Jul 23, 2016 7:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by floridagull on Jul 23, 2016 8:08:31 GMT -5
Leaving aside the police misconduct for a minute (which I think is despicable)... These words trouble me: "Though her son’s bike is illegal, she notes that there are no places for he and his friends to ride like there are in other states." What? If you live in a CITY, places to ride dirt bikes, ATV's, and off-road (non-registered) vehicles DON'T EXIST, by definition. If "he and his friends" want "places to ride", then they are living in the wrong place! No one should EVER be "riding a dirt bike in the Bed-Stuy part of Brooklyn"! There are no taxis and city buses in the Iowa heartland! Sorry - but I am sick and tried of people doing illegal stuff, and then complaining when they are stopped from doing so. It is the law - no ATV's or dirt bikes in the heart of the city, on streets where licensed drivers are - is that so hard to comprehend? What is the problem? Obey the law!!!   |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 23, 2016 9:30:40 GMT -5
Leaving aside the police misconduct for a minute (which I think is despicable)... These words trouble me: "Though her son’s bike is illegal, she notes that there are no places for he and his friends to ride like there are in other states." What? If you live in a CITY, places to ride dirt bikes, ATV's, and off-road (non-registered) vehicles DON'T EXIST, by definition. If "he and his friends" want "places to ride", then they are living in the wrong place! No one should EVER be "riding a dirt bike in the Bed-Stuy part of Brooklyn"! There are no taxis and city buses in the Iowa heartland! Sorry - but I am sick and tried of people doing illegal stuff, and then complaining when they are stopped from doing so. It is the law - no ATV's or dirt bikes in the heart of the city, on streets where licensed drivers are - is that so hard to comprehend? What is the problem? Obey the law!!! [img style="max-width:100%;" src="[img style="max-width:100%;" src="[img style="max-width:100%;" src=" [img style="max-width:100%;" src="[img style="max-width:100%;" src="
Absolutely! Whether a cop is right or wrong, being lenient or acting like the Gestapo, you're required to obey. Deal with legalities later. Regardless of the incidents on the TV news, cops in general are MUCH more lenient than when I was a kid.
In the fifties, it was well understood, and accepted, that if you ran, a cop was only obligated to yell "stop or I'll shoot." Once. If you didn't stop, you got a .38 slug in the back. The cop's GUN was not so much to protect him or her, it was to STOP a fleeing offender.
If you were a kid, and mouthed off to a cop in a traffic stop, you got the daylights beat out of you by the cop. Then again by the desk-sergeant when you were dragged in. Then again by the other guys in your holding cell... and FINALLY one more time by your Dad when he got you home after bailing you out.Right or wrong, do what you're told by the cop and you usually wont' get shot... No guaranties, but it increases your chances. Best of all, don't do stuff that will automatically get you stopped; and that's good advice REGARDLESS of your skin color. Contrary to the media, stats prove the police are "equal opportunity butt-kickers".
Keep your NOSE clean, and your BUTT will not suffer... LOL!  Leo in Texas |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 23, 2016 13:14:17 GMT -5
I hate listening to Dr Phil, but I love one of his favorite mantras: "If you choose the behavior, you also choose the consequences".
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 23, 2016 19:07:10 GMT -5
While I wholeheartedly agree that no one committing illegal acts should get away with it, I also vehemently argue that the Police are not the ones who are supposed to hand out justice, that is the venue of the courts. By bumping a rider, they are acting as prosecutor, judge, jury, and jailer, none of which fall within their job description. I'm am sick and tired of people saying "he asked for it" when the Police do something to harm an individual beyond what is actually necessary to restrain and arrest that individual. The courts determine guilt and punishment, and even then are most often kept in check by the jury system. The Police need to remember what they are there for, to protect and serve, not to punish!
To the VAST majority of Police officers out there who put their life on the line every day without overstepping their role, I thank you. To that small minority who seem to be taking over the news on a weekly basis, I say shame on you!
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 23, 2016 21:46:57 GMT -5
Cops are just another street gang...badges stand in for facial tattoos.
About the only way to get the atv and dirt bike riders off the streets in NYC would probably be a shoot-on-sight order.
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Post by cyborg55 on Jul 23, 2016 23:13:25 GMT -5
A very fine line indeed ,,,I think putting people at risk by running them down is wrong,,but on the other hand no enforcement means chaos,,, as in chicagos rampant shootings every day even tho they have the strictest gun laws in the nation,,,,no one is dealing with the root problem,,,,as long as we vote in liberals and pander to the left wing touchy feely crowd it will continue and even get worse,,,,my wife labels me a caveman,,,but I'll give you an example,,,I could have this terrorism thing all over in less than 3 months,,, all of it,,,catch a radical terrorist put the screws to him to find out what and who he knows,,,and even if he gets killed in the process of capture ,,, throw him alive or dead in a pen with 10-15 400-500 pound hogs that haven't been fed for a week,,,the madness stops immediately,,,got a guy that runs from the law,,if and when caught,,,instant and immediate loss of license for three years,,,get caught again 5 on top of the 3,,,if a minor no license till 21 years old,,,get caught again 25 years old,,,third offence 7 more ,,,fourth ,,, life revocation,,,it's easy,,just got to get tough,,,I know it sounds hard but it's reality,,,,on my dads fathers farm ,,gramps had a very mean goose,,it would chase everyone around biting and everyone would run and scream,it came up to my dad he slapped that thing so hard in the head we thought he killed it,,it woke up and never went after anyone ever again,,,easy peasy baby,,,peace thru strength,,,,,⚔☠
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 24, 2016 5:38:39 GMT -5
A simpler remedy would be to simply ban motorcycles in New York City.
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 24, 2016 7:17:45 GMT -5
1) yes, where the NY cops have gone to is despicable. And needs to be reined back in. And cops proven to be too aggressive need to be punished or even fired.
2) yes, the idiots knowingly breaking the laws and riding dirt bikes/ATVs need to have those vehicles confiscated. But they should NOT be attacked esp while driving them! Point being that now innocent bystanders are getting hurt (and don't you LOVE how they pointed out the injured pedestrian "may or may not" have been crossing against the light, like that makes him getting hit and injured ok if he was jaywalking)
3) QUIT BREAKING THE LAW AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) the cops must stop harassing legal drivers on legal bikes, unless they're doing something illegal. IOW, the continuous checkpoints against only 2-wheelers need to be shut down as I think they're probably illegal. "Innocent until proven guilty" seems to be very overlooked in NYC.
5) ya' gotta also love that the photo of the illegal dirt bikes has a SCOOTER at the very very front. Now, it may be an illegal scooter (and most likely is based on the condition), but it sure ain't a dirt bike!
>'Kat, refraining from pointing out each of the huff's multiple grammar and spelling issues--seriously folks, you're supposed to be a news source and you can't write?
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Post by rockynv on Jul 26, 2016 10:47:00 GMT -5
Yes police do sometimes get jaded when dealing with a community that totally disregards the law. Riding illegally and endangering on such a large scale and flaunting it is so over the top. Its no wonder though seeing how the parents of these young adults justify the unlawful behavior of their children.
Note that in Germany Police have outfitted their BMW Motorcycles with crash bars just like their cars to bring down errant scooter riders who evade since illegal riders have become such a problem.
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Post by ricardoguitars on Jul 26, 2016 13:39:17 GMT -5
Two wrongs don't make a right, the police is supposed to protect the people, not hurt them, and those idiots riding illegally should be prosecuted, but following and investigation, not beating them down like in the old wild West.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 26, 2016 15:03:05 GMT -5
Like I said: cops are a street gang, little different from MS13.
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 26, 2016 15:25:43 GMT -5
Yes police do sometimes get jaded when dealing with a community that totally disregards the law. Riding illegally and endangering on such a large scale and flaunting it is so over the top. Its no wonder though seeing how the parents of these young adults justify the unlawful behavior of their children. Note that in Germany Police have outfitted their BMW Motorcycles with crash bars just like their cars to bring down errant scooter riders who evade since illegal riders have become such a problem. I don't live in Germany, though I did serve there while in the US Army, and I don't care to have their lack of police brutality laws here in the US. Once again, my sole point is that the police have a job to do, and that is arrest those who break the law. They do not have the mandate nor the authority to punish people for those crimes. So there is no way to justify an officer attempting to harm an individual due to the fact they are breaking a law. Punishment is for the courts and the prison system, NOT for the police, and that is the line in the sand that is being crossed more and more often these days. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 27, 2016 9:15:44 GMT -5
Actually Jerry, there is ONE way to justify an officer harming an individual. If said individual attempts to harm the cop first. Otherwise you're absolutely correct and at most they can confiscate the vehicle being used for crime or that's illegal while putting the individual in holding. >'Kat, who's not sure she'd ever bump a vehicle on purpose with a 2-wheeler, crash bars or not!  |
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Post by rockynv on Jul 27, 2016 10:02:08 GMT -5
And if its out of hand like in a Stanley Kubrick Movie with gangs of kids/young adults supported by delinquent parents with riders refusing to pull over and yield? We have too many instances where these criminal riders are causing mayhem.
Yes a very small percentage of officers go too far or mess up however it is extremely minute compared to how many officers are out there and how many of these criminals replete with their very poor parents they have to deal with every second of every day.
It is quite fine to say punishment must be reserved for the courts and for someone who yields to being arrested for their crime that is how it works 99.9999% of the time. They yield, get arrested, booked, charged and have their day in court. Those that refuse to yield, lead a chase or attack the police can expect to be viewed as a threat and taken into custody by force. Its the criminals choice whether to yield and go peaceably or not. It is the parents obligation to teach their children how to behave when the police ask them to yield or tell them that they are under arrest however parents are failing very badly in fulfilling their parental obligations to their own children and the community.
There are around 7.4 billion people on the earth today with 324,295,187 residing in the US so with the occasional incidents we see a few times a year globally and in this country it is an extremely small percentage of the time that these things occur and not an indicator of a severe wide spread problem with the police but with the general mentality of people.
The icing on the cake was the mentality of one aunt defending her nephews actions saying he was a good boy because his daddy taught him to shoot in the ground or off to the side and not at the people when he robbed them or stole their cars. Imagine spending your day dealing with an increasing number of people with that type of thinking and mentality.
That we only have a relatively few stray newsworthy incidents that the media bleeds for all their worth every year in the US is in itself a testament to how well behaved and kindly our police officers truly are when dealing with the issues of the 324+ million citizens they have to protect.
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