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Post by dickyh on Mar 21, 2015 12:46:36 GMT -5
I have a rectifier issue and need some help. I have a lithium battery on the scooter and it went dead. I was told that I had a rectifier issue and bought a new one which I thought was the right one. It charges the battery and the output is where it is supposed to be. My problem is now that the headlight doesn't work. I am enclosing some pics as I when it comes to electrical, my skills are minimal I have a 6 pin OEM (the bad one) rectifier  with the following wire configuration And the new one with this wiring  Both are six pin with 2 separate connectors(2 vertical prongs and one horz) with one connector with 3 yellow wires, which is what runs the headlight and the other for charging the battery and whatever else. I hooked up the new one and there is a considerable difference in the voltage output but the headlight doesn't work. I assumed that the 3 white wires on the new one where the same as the three yellow which handle the head light on the old one, but sigh, it doesn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. totally stuck. I searched high and low to find the right 6 pin configuration (2 connectors with 3 wires each) and thought I bought the right one. Doesn't seem to be the case. The only photo I could find with the exact wiring setup was listed as a 11pole 6 pin but I hardly think my scoot came oem as 11 pole and I haven't taken it apart at this point to verify. And it is only available on ebay and I have issues with using paypal (hate them) so this is not a purchase option for me. Thanks in advance for your help |
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 21, 2015 13:43:56 GMT -5
lets see what the stator plug looks like
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Post by dickyh on Mar 21, 2015 13:59:30 GMT -5
are you speaking of the connectors coming off of the rectifier?
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Post by dickyh on Mar 21, 2015 14:01:16 GMT -5
lets see what the stator plug looks like are you referring to the connectors for the rectifier? |
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 21, 2015 15:28:15 GMT -5
no where the wires from the stator come from and connect to the harness, trace it from above the fan.
John
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Post by geh3333 on Mar 21, 2015 21:17:57 GMT -5
How is the fuse at the battery ? Actually that shouldn't effect the headlights . are you sure the bulbs didn't blow when the other rectifier went out ?
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 21, 2015 23:53:41 GMT -5
Based on the regulators he posted a pic of, I suspect it 3phase stator.
John
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Post by dmartin95 on Mar 22, 2015 1:34:00 GMT -5
I have a rectifier issue and need some help. I have a lithium battery on the scooter and it went dead. I was told that I had a rectifier issue and bought a new one which I thought was the right one. It charges the battery and the output is where it is supposed to be. My problem is now that the headlight doesn't work. I am enclosing some pics as I when it comes to electrical, my skills are minimal I have a 6 pin OEM (the bad one) rectifier with the following wire configuration And the new one with this wiring Both are six pin with 2 separate connectors(2 vertical prongs and one horz) with one connector with 3 yellow wires, which is what runs the headlight and the other for charging the battery and whatever else. I hooked up the new one and there is a considerable difference in the voltage output but the headlight doesn't work. I assumed that the 3 white wires on the new one where the same as the three yellow which handle the head light on the old one, but sigh, it doesn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. totally stuck. I searched high and low to find the right 6 pin configuration (2 connectors with 3 wires each) and thought I bought the right one. Doesn't seem to be the case. The only photo I could find with the exact wiring setup was listed as a 11pole 6 pin but I hardly think my scoot came oem as 11 pole and I haven't taken it apart at this point to verify. And it is only available on ebay and I have issues with using paypal (hate them) so this is not a purchase option for me. Thanks in advance for your help Hi dickyh. Partsforscooters.com carries the stock Regulator/Rectifier for your scooter. They sell it for $24.99. Here's a link: On some scooters, the R/R activates the headlight. If your headlight no longer comes on after switching the R/R, i'd say you need a different R/R. But take note, switching the R/R to a new one may not solve your problem with the battery losing it's ability to hold a charge. Some batteries, such as Lithium and glass mat, even some AGM are designed in a way that charging them too fast will actually damage the battery. For example, selecting 10 amp instead 2 amp ona trickle charger could damage it. Well, it could be the case that your R/R's charging circuit pushes too much current into the battery too fast. You may want to just go back to a stock battery and put your old R/R back on. Get a 7~9ah battery (around $30.~40.00) ------------------------------------- What are your voltage readings (before and after the R/R swap if you recall)... And TVnacman is likely correct. That looks like a three phase stator. However, yellow, white and pink are various A/C colors and it could be you have two yellow A/C inputs from the stator and one A/C out to your lighting and auto enricher circuit. More than likely it's three phase input. BTW, 11 pole are not the only three phase,. Your scooter may have a 12 pole stator. Anyhow, like John suggested, try and get a pic of your stator plug (It's located coming out of your fan shroud) and also tell us what your voltage readings have been. |
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Post by dickyh on Mar 23, 2015 18:26:34 GMT -5
How is the fuse at the battery ? Actually that shouldn't effect the headlights . are you sure the bulbs didn't blow when the other rectifier went out ? all the fuses are fine...i suspect it is the wiring order in one of the plugs. If I switch the top 2 wires 1- red and one red/white the light works but the battery doesnt charge.the other way the battery charges but the headlight doesnt work. I assumed that the plug with the 3 yellow wires run the lights as if I disconnect that plug the lights wont work. so I am at a loss. I have limited electrical knowledge and this has me stumped. |
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Post by dickyh on Mar 23, 2015 18:53:35 GMT -5
I have a rectifier issue and need some help. I have a lithium battery on the scooter and it went dead. I was told that I had a rectifier issue and bought a new one which I thought was the right one. It charges the battery and the output is where it is supposed to be. My problem is now that the headlight doesn't work. I am enclosing some pics as I when it comes to electrical, my skills are minimal I have a 6 pin OEM (the bad one) rectifier with the following wire configuration And the new one with this wiring Both are six pin with 2 separate connectors(2 vertical prongs and one horz) with one connector with 3 yellow wires, which is what runs the headlight and the other for charging the battery and whatever else. I hooked up the new one and there is a considerable difference in the voltage output but the headlight doesn't work. I assumed that the 3 white wires on the new one where the same as the three yellow which handle the head light on the old one, but sigh, it doesn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. totally stuck. I searched high and low to find the right 6 pin configuration (2 connectors with 3 wires each) and thought I bought the right one. Doesn't seem to be the case. The only photo I could find with the exact wiring setup was listed as a 11pole 6 pin but I hardly think my scoot came oem as 11 pole and I haven't taken it apart at this point to verify. And it is only available on ebay and I have issues with using paypal (hate them) so this is not a purchase option for me. Thanks in advance for your help Hi dickyh. Partsforscooters.com carries the stock Regulator/Rectifier for your scooter. They sell it for $24.99. Here's a link:On some scooters, the R/R activates the headlight. If your headlight no longer comes on after switching the R/R, i'd say you need a different R/R. But take note, switching the R/R to a new one may not solve your problem with the battery losing it's ability to hold a charge. Some batteries, such as Lithium and glass mat, even some AGM are designed in a way that charging them too fast will actually damage the battery. For example, selecting 10 amp instead 2 amp ona trickle charger could damage it. Well, it could be the case that your R/R's charging circuit pushes too much current into the battery too fast. You may want to just go back to a stock battery and put your old R/R back on. Get a 7~9ah battery (around $30.~40.00) ------------------------------------- What are your voltage readings (before and after the R/R swap if you recall)... And TVnacman is likely correct. That looks like a three phase stator. However, yellow, white and pink are various A/C colors and it could be you have two yellow A/C inputs from the stator and one A/C out to your lighting and auto enricher circuit. More than likely it's three phase input. BTW, 11 pole are not the only three phase,. Your scooter may have a 12 pole stator. Anyhow, like John suggested, try and get a pic of your stator plug (It's located coming out of your fan shroud) and also tell us what your voltage readings have been. Thanks but my regulator is 2 plugs with 3 connectors each and the one you show is one plug with 6 prongs. I could only find the one pictured and bought. I guess I could get the one you showed and try to wire it to the two plugs? Electrical is so NOT my forte. The different color wires are totally throwing me off. And to make matters more complicated, one plug is male and the other female. I also have electronic fuel injection which complicates things as well and so for now I chose to charge vs headlight until I find the solution. With the old r/r I was also blowing headlight bulbs and now my readings are about 12.7 to 13.5 running. I put my lead battery in with the old rectifier and it was dead in a day not to mention it blew yet another bulb. Can't fathom how difficult it is to find the r/r i need. |
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Post by geh3333 on Mar 23, 2015 19:03:07 GMT -5
Hi dickyh. Partsforscooters.com carries the stock Regulator/Rectifier for your scooter. They sell it for $24.99. Here's a link:On some scooters, the R/R activates the headlight. If your headlight no longer comes on after switching the R/R, i'd say you need a different R/R. But take note, switching the R/R to a new one may not solve your problem with the battery losing it's ability to hold a charge. Some batteries, such as Lithium and glass mat, even some AGM are designed in a way that charging them too fast will actually damage the battery. For example, selecting 10 amp instead 2 amp ona trickle charger could damage it. Well, it could be the case that your R/R's charging circuit pushes too much current into the battery too fast. You may want to just go back to a stock battery and put your old R/R back on. Get a 7~9ah battery (around $30.~40.00) ------------------------------------- What are your voltage readings (before and after the R/R swap if you recall)... And TVnacman is likely correct. That looks like a three phase stator. However, yellow, white and pink are various A/C colors and it could be you have two yellow A/C inputs from the stator and one A/C out to your lighting and auto enricher circuit. More than likely it's three phase input. BTW, 11 pole are not the only three phase,. Your scooter may have a 12 pole stator. Anyhow, like John suggested, try and get a pic of your stator plug (It's located coming out of your fan shroud) and also tell us what your voltage readings have been. Thanks but my regulator is 2 plugs and the one you show is one plug with 6 prongs. I could only find the one pictured and bought. I guess I could get the one you showed and try to wire it to the two plugs? Electrical is so NOT my forte. The different color wires are totally throwing me off. My new engine came with a 5 wire 6pin connector and my scoots harness had a 4wire 4,pin connector. I had to pull the wires from the regulators connector and match the right wires to the scoots 4 pin connector , and I was able to plug the 4 pin into the 6 pin. Yes it actually fit . I was able to plug the scoots connector into the left 4 pins of the regulators connector , then used electrical tape to hold them together. Of course I had to cut the clip off the scoots connector because it did not line up with the 6 pin connector. |
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