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Post by scooter on Dec 18, 2014 5:18:37 GMT -5
I have a 2008 Qlink 250 Helix clone. The turn signals are not working properly. I don't want to get a ticket or get killed so I need to fix it. Can you guys help me diagnose it? When the right turn signal is activated, the dash indicator blinks rapidly, the rear signal flashes, and the front signal does not work. When the left turn signal is activated nothing happens, although it did intermittently make the rear signal blink dimly with a buzzing sound. No front signal, no dash signal. The blinker also makes the dash lights blink. The hazard light appears to be unplugged and I didn't see a place for it to plug into, but I'm in a hurry right now. There is a plug on the right side in the glove box with a jumper wire stuck in it, as seen below. This appears to be the blinker relay. (Yes, it is and it seems to be working.)  This is a plug on the right side of the glove box with a jumper wire on it. I have no idea why.(EDIT: Dmartin says: Post # 1, second picture is your alarm plug. It's a 9-pin plug with with the jumper wire completing your ignition circuit. It look like it's supposed to. Read more: itistheride.boards.net/posts/recent#ixzz3ML4hllgb )  This looks like the hazard light wire  If the video uploads properly to youtube it will be here: (EDIT/UPDATE) I went to the scooterdoc boards and found this nice diagram, which is easy to read and makes sense.  So I went back "in" to take another stab at fixing the signals. Unfortunately I ran into some issues I don't know how to deal with yet. First is that these four wires in the center of the picture appear to have been repaired. The connectors don't look factory. That is two greens into one wire and two brown? into another wire. I am guessing brake switch wires? I don't know.  The next thing is that the right front signal has three wires running to it and the left only has two. I assume that is ground, running, and turn signal. (By the way, NONE of the running lights, front or back, appear to work. The rear brake light does work though and also stays on as a running light.)  Next, the big block of wires has a green wire cut off of it and has been burned. The picture is blurry, but at the top right on the block is a cut off green wire.  and here is the burned part. I assume there are wires missing from there, that overheated. Maybe those ones that are crimped together in the photo above, also seen here just to the left of the block.  Then there is this unconnected blue and white wire. I used a digital meter on it and it appears to energize to ground when the right blinker is on.  That's all I have for now. I don't yet know what the big block of wires is for or how it works, and I have a hard time understanding wiring, especially in a big mess of wires like this, and with some apparent damage and possibly amateur rigging. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Dec 19, 2014 3:31:09 GMT -5
Ok, Post # 1, second picture is your alarm plug. It's a 9-pin plug with with the jumper wire completing your ignition circuit.
It looks like it's supposed to.
Your blinker problem is going to be one of those weird gremlins to track down. Somethings to start investigating - You may want to determine if someone has either installed LED turn signals without installing an LED Flasher relay. Sometimes people may try and use an alternative flasher relay, like for a car and get the wiring wrong. The hyper flashing your turn signals are exhibiting makes me suspect of the relay. I would start there.
The blue and white wire may be part of your fuel sender harness.
It's very hard to try and diagnose a problem of this nature without the scoot on hand...
If possible, try and get some shots that are a little more clear. I'll try and dig up a schematic for your scooter.
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 19, 2014 7:03:30 GMT -5
ok your asking about signals do the signals do anything when when selected or turned on . try again with just the key turned on .
Stick to the signals, switch, flasher and interconnecting wires . worry about all the other wires at another time .
John
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Post by william42 on Dec 19, 2014 14:28:09 GMT -5
Well, since you included me, I'll throw in my two cent questions.
Has this problem always been a problem since you've owned the bike or did it just now start happening? If it just started happening then you can rule out the repaired and/or missing and burnt wires. If it's always been like that then that wiring may be part of the problem.
And, have you confirmed that the turn signal lamps and sockets are good? When my cars' turn signal lamp burns out the flasher doesn't flash the lights and maybe scooter systems work similarly?
Since both sides of the bike's turn signals should be wired the same, then I would check both right and left wiring from the lamps backwards and see if they are wired exactly the same. You might find that whomever messed with that wiring at one time caused this problem?
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Post by JerryScript on Dec 19, 2014 21:32:33 GMT -5
Since you appear to have a re-wiring job that wasn't done well, I would suggest a complete re-wire of the turn signal system. Cost you around $20-25 in wire and connectors, and a couple hours. Take your time and lay it out just like the diagram. This way you aren't spending days chasing a wild monkey!
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Post by scooter on Dec 20, 2014 7:04:33 GMT -5
Well, since you included me, I'll throw in my two cent questions. Has this problem always been a problem since you've owned the bike or did it just now start happening? If it just started happening then you can rule out the repaired and/or missing and burnt wires. If it's always been like that then that wiring may be part of the problem. And, have you confirmed that the turn signal lamps and sockets are good? When my cars' turn signal lamp burns out the flasher doesn't flash the lights and maybe scooter systems work similarly? Since both sides of the bike's turn signals should be wired the same, then I would check both right and left wiring from the lamps backwards and see if they are wired exactly the same. You might find that whomever messed with that wiring at one time caused this problem? I just got the bike. I think the previous rider tinkered around with the electric. |
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Post by william42 on Dec 22, 2014 15:38:52 GMT -5
What I've read in your initial post, and saw in the video, your right blinker appears to work correctly, except for the front lamp doesn't light. For that I would suspect the lamp itself or the lamp socket. Perhaps even a wire attached to the lamp socket.
If that's what the problem is then one side of this system is working, and presumably, wired correctly. The other side of the system should be wired identical to the working side, but those wires will go into the plug in, probably, different holes and more than likely, right next to the working side.
I never like to trust wiring diagrams that aren't specifically tailored for a specific machine. Generic diagrams are just that. Generic. Who knows how or why a manufacturer wired the way they did and to what. If at all possible you should keep the wiring the way it came on the bike.
Access the wires on the back side of the lamp sockets, note their colors, follow them into whatever wiring harness they go into, find them again on the other side of the harness, then see what block they go into. The other side of the bike should be identical. Note any similarities or discrepancies and go from there. That's the monkey I would chase anyway. For what it's worth.
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Post by scooter on Dec 22, 2014 18:04:46 GMT -5
What I've read in your initial post, and saw in the video, your right blinker appears to work correctly, except for the front lamp doesn't light. For that I would suspect the lamp itself or the lamp socket. Perhaps even a wire attached to the lamp socket. If that's what the problem is then one side of this system is working, and presumably, wired correctly. The other side of the system should be wired identical to the working side, but those wires will go into the plug in, probably, different holes and more than likely, right next to the working side. I never like to trust wiring diagrams that aren't specifically tailored for a specific machine. Generic diagrams are just that. Generic. Who knows how or why a manufacturer wired the way they did and to what. If at all possible you should keep the wiring the way it came on the bike. Access the wires on the back side of the lamp sockets, note their colors, follow them into whatever wiring harness they go into, find them again on the other side of the harness, then see what block they go into. The other side of the bike should be identical. Note any similarities or discrepancies and go from there. That's the monkey I would chase anyway. For what it's worth. Thank you. I got the right front blinker to work so now I have right side blinkers. There were two ground wires cut. There is also a white wire cut, that leads to the headlight, and a blue wire not connected. There is more but I can't describe it at this point. I am still trying to figure out the purpose of the two brown wires and two other wires, spliced into one wire each. Another thing I have noticed is that when I turn on the left blinker, the right indicator lights up steady and there is a buzzy sound. The wiring diagram I found online is for a honda reflex I think.  It says Reflex_yy250t_cf_moto. I think it was from the scooter doc board. I also see how this terminal box works. Any wire in one of the five sockets that is inline with another on the same row is connected, so one wire comes out of a harness to one socket, then out of another socket and to another harness or whatever. I assume there is a good reason for it but it sure is messy. I do not know if the burned area on the terminal block was caused by faulty wiring but it appears some of the wiring may have been done to bypass the small burnt area. |
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 22, 2014 18:14:39 GMT -5
two wire flasher or three ?
John
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Post by scooter on Dec 23, 2014 3:01:54 GMT -5
two wire flasher or three ? John The flasher box has three wires. |
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 23, 2014 7:00:25 GMT -5
Can you make heads or tails of the circuit ?
If memory serves me correct the flasher's 3 wires one is ground for the flasher , the other is a switched power feed , the third goes to your selector switch . A completed circuit with enough load will make the flasher flash . I wonder if the signal switch is bad , for the left if I remember correctly from your video .
The splice in your video with the two black wires and a third I don't remember the color , I think feeds your brake circuit , then the second black continues to feed something else along the way .
Are you able to work on the signals with just the key on ?
John
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Post by scooter on Jan 3, 2015 20:50:17 GMT -5
UPDATE: I found two more wires. Those two that were spliced were being used for the headlight. I put the two wires where they go and I now have high and low beam lights. I also found another cut ground wire and spliced it into the other ones. It was cut off down into the harness. Who knows what's down in there at this point. Now I have a blue and white wire, (with a male bullet? connector on it) that needs a place to go, and I am still trying to find out where the orange and white wire is that belongs to the left blinker or left running light. Picture: Wires to bulb. Two in, three out. Missing the orange and white wire.  I get 0.24 volts out of the blue and white wire to ground with the key on. Picture: Blue and white wire coming out of the same harness as the purple and blue wire.  When I connected a meter to the left blinker, it read negative with the meter ground on the outside of the bulb socket. I will remeasure that tomorrow and also the right side. I pulled out the turn signal contact plate in the handle and it looks like I'm getting around +10 volts on the right blinker and about +8 volts on the left one, with the positive meter lead on the center post (grey wire). When I tried a new flasher, it also buzzes when the left turn signal is on. The front left signal does not come on but the rear one does, dimly. The right blinkers work. Running lights are not working, front or rear. Picture: Bird's nest or artificial intelligence organism. Note that two wire plug on the far left, next to the blue and white wire, has nothing to plug into. The headlights were spliced into its wires. Hazard light switch in dash has a three wire plug and also nothing to connect it to that I can see.  Picture: Turn signal contact board. The single wire plugs to the left are what I called a "bullet" connectors for lack of knowing what they are called.  |
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Post by scooter on Jan 4, 2015 1:07:33 GMT -5
Can you make heads or tails of the circuit ? If memory serves me correct the flasher's 3 wires one is ground for the flasher , the other is a switched power feed , the third goes to your selector switch . A completed circuit with enough load will make the flasher flash . I wonder if the signal switch is bad , for the left if I remember correctly from your video . The splice in your video with the two black wires and a third I don't remember the color , I think feeds your brake circuit , then the second black continues to feed something else along the way . Are you able to work on the signals with just the key on ? John Sorry. I missed this reply. Please see my update above. I do need a new turn signal switch. The plastic in this one is busted, however, arcing across the conductor plate gave me the same results. |
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Post by scooter on Jan 8, 2015 18:05:23 GMT -5
UPDATE:
I got the turn signals working, finally. I had a poor ground on the left signal, causing it to get low voltage, so I regrounded it with some other ground wires. I put the running lights on an unused hot wire. Now I have turn signals and am legal, not to mention the safety factor.
The turn signal indicators stay lit until I turn on a blinker, then the one activated blinks. My instrument panel isn't lit up. Maybe I pulled a wire loose. I wonder if I somehow got my indicators mixed in with the running light wires.
Anyway, I'm good for now on this old beater. Now to figure out the jerking at open throttle. I am guessing bad diaphragm, a vacuum leak, or bad fuel pump. Top speed right now is only 50 mph but acceleration is good.
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