1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start

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1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start by: kxj5906 - Apr 28, 2014 19:40:27 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by kxj5906 on Apr 28, 2014 19:40:27 GMT -5

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I have a friend who's 1986 Honda elite 50 will not start. We have checked for spark, spark plug is very good and producing a blue flame. We have thoroughly cleaned the carburetor and adjusted the idle air mixture. The Scooter has over 5000 miles and has been ridden very hard. The Scooter cranks but will not catch or start. Kickstart will not work either. Put in a new battery as well. Could this indicate low compression caused by Old piston rings? We have a 63cc top end rebuild kit. Will installing this be our solution?

It is probably low compression by old piston rings? What do you guys think?

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1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start by: alleyoop - Apr 28, 2014 20:17:54 GMT -5

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Post by alleyoop on Apr 28, 2014 20:17:54 GMT -5

Is the Air FIlter on as well as the Muffler? Popping usually means to much fuel, so when it pops on you take the spark plug out and see if it is wet with fuel. If so lean out the mixture on the carb, turn it 1 full turn clockwise if its a CV type carb.
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1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start by: kxj5906 - Apr 28, 2014 20:33:05 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by kxj5906 on Apr 28, 2014 20:33:05 GMT -5

We have tried starting it with the air filter on and we have taken the air filter off to see if it will start. Both times it would not start but playing with the adjustment screw seemed to help it want to start. We got it to a point where it almost started by playing with the adjustment screw but still cannot start.

Spark plug does have some gas on it

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1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start by: alleyoop - Apr 28, 2014 20:55:15 GMT -5

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Post by alleyoop on Apr 28, 2014 20:55:15 GMT -5

If the carb has a pump on it give the throttle a couple full twists before trying to start it that will squirt some fuel into the venturi. If the spark plug is firing it should fire at least once.
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1986 Honda Elite 50cc will not start by: kxj5906 - Apr 29, 2014 0:22:42 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by kxj5906 on Apr 29, 2014 0:22:42 GMT -5

We adjusted the idle screw all the way in and then back out two full turns. The Scooter sounded a lot better and sounded stronger and wanted to start but still did not start. I will try twisting the throttle

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