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Post by payneib on Mar 8, 2013 10:46:48 GMT -5
Does anyone else find them self almost permanently angry at car drivers? I mean constantly, every time I ride, something happens, to make me so apoplectically enraged with retarded, glass and plastic death machine driving, **** nuggets I think I might end up having a stroke or high blood pressure or sommething before I'm thirty.
Take today. I quick ride into town, about ten minutes down the road, all residential streets, passed two schools, across one cross roads with lights, one roundabout and into a car park. I only had to pick up some oil for the scoot, and bits and pieces to make a cake for the Mrs coming home for the weekend.
I turned right out of my road and was clear in both directions. A 4x4 pulled out behind me and accelerated up to 50mph (in a 30), left me no space as they overtook me past the senior school, before slowing down for the lights at the cross roads (I assumed). As I pulled up behind it, about thirty yards short of the lights, it just slammed on the anchors, pulled in on double yellow lines (no parking, if its different in the US), and kicked out a pair of kids for the junior school, leaving me no option but to pull out around it in traffic or slam into the back of it. But why? Why not just keep the speed down and pull up safely, in an area where these limits and restrictions are in place to keep THEIR KIDS safe?
The rest of the journey was ok, and I parked up in the dedicated motorcycle parking space in the town car park, as far out of the way as possible, right by the bollards to chain the scoot to, went off and did my shopping. When I got back I had no choice but to watch from the other end of the car park as a stupid bloody middle aged woman reversed right into my scoot and just nocked it over! Luckily a passer-by tapped on her window and she got out and started picking the scoot up as I got there, but why?! Why didn't she just look out of the window, or take a glance behind the car as she got in?
If that's what it's like after a quick trip into town, imagine what happens when I spend over two hours for every shift commuting on it? Some times I'm lucky to be alive. The only hope we've got is ATGATT.
Hopefully I'm not the only angry dawg?
Ian.
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Post by terrilee on Mar 8, 2013 10:58:51 GMT -5
, **** nuggets I think I might end up having a stroke or high blood pressure or something before I'm thirty.
saying this is bad behavior ? the blue highlight
or is it just me?
sorry payneib for hijacking your thread.
just NEEDED to point this out
and yea cagers just dont get it
they just dont understand a a tiny crash in their cage, just damages their cage, but could KILL us
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Post by payneib on Mar 8, 2013 11:13:12 GMT -5
@ teddy554---now are you gonna send Payneib a nasty Pm
[/quote] That'd be nice, my first PM on the new forum! I'm sure if an admin or mod wants to pick me up for it, they will. terrilee: I think our sense of humours are fairly well aligned, and you generally come out with some sensible suggestions to genuine questions, but please leave forum politics out of my threads. I think between the two Dawgs and The Ride, there's been enough of that already, and I'm just not interested. Ian
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Post by SylvreKat on Mar 9, 2013 8:39:13 GMT -5
Gotta' tell you, Ian, it's not just scooters backed into. My freakin' WAGON got backed into by a guy who didn't look in his rearview before hitting reverse. Obviously not, 'cause you just can't miss a Ford Taurus wagon behind you if you even attempted to look. And apparently it was a common occurrence for dude cause he said something about "the last time this happened".  Really dude? Maybe you should start looking in the rearview then? Just maybe?? Some folks are just flaming idiots. Period. But it's your choice to get angry at them or not. Like me. Two complete utter morons tore a chunk out of my bumper thinking they knew how to tow a car from a snow drift. They hooked the cable to my bumper instead of any part of my car (like, say, the tow hook that was inches away from where they hooked?) I could be mad, but what purpose does it serve? They're gone and it's done, and getting angry doesn't fix my bumper it would just make me feel bad. And I feel bad enough looking at my poor old Taurie all busted up back there. Even if the person's there, getting mad usually just makes them get all defensive instead of apologetic. I might get mad right when something happens, but then I let it pass. Not worth "having a stroke or high blood pressure or something before (you're) thirty." But then I tend to be a happy Dawg most of the time anyways. >'Kat |
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Post by JR on Mar 9, 2013 14:14:13 GMT -5
I aleeady got one notice from Proboards about a language infraction. No need for more.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 9, 2013 22:12:22 GMT -5
Every unpleasant aspect of your ride is pretty common no matter WHAT you're driving... It's not just scoots. A few decades of riding outlaw choppers taught me a whole lot about human nature... Probably half (or more) of drivers out there are closet-bullies. Not tough enough to put their fists through their boss's teeth when he or she shafts them, but MORE than willing to take out their rage on any vehicle smaller than them. At the moment, it seems "annonymous" to them, like cursing out someone on the Internet... At the moment, it seems there will be no consequences for their unpleasantness.
They NEVER consider witnesses taking down license numbers, or, that they're on camera most everywhere they go... Or, that just MAYBE, that bulge in their victim's pants isn't his "manhood" but rather his faithful old .45... LOL! Not so LOL for recipeint of such "consequences"...
I ride anything I can find on 2 wheels, from my trusty Schwinn Phantom, to scoots, to cycles... And, a lot of "cagers" seem to think I have a target printed on my back... Drivers in small cars often receive the same treatment from big-car and truck drivers... Big-car and truck drivers have the same gripes about semi-drivers... and so it goes. No matter how high up on the food chain you are, you look like dinner to somebody... Yup.
I'm pushing 70 now, and can't afford to let such idiots bring on a heart-attack... So I try to accept each "experience" as just one more defensive-driving lesson... I'm getting pretty adept at lightning lane-changes and finding "escape routes"... You ALWAYS want to be checking for escape routes when driving ANYTHING...
Realize it's just the way things are, and try not to hate the people. Hate what they do, but don't hate them. It keeps the blood-pressure down some...
Not a bad subject for your first post... Sometimes we all need a reminder to be extra-careful. These economic times have turned many otherwise nice folks into raging and downright dangerous drivers. Not all their fault, but that's no comfort if they hit you, or cause you to crash.
Stay calm, and make the best of it... Just like the old song about the wife whose mentally unstable husband thought he was a chicken. She accepted the fact that all that scratching in the ground didn't really hurt anything, and, heaven knows, she could use the eggs...
Ride safe, and take good care of those eyes in the back of your head...
Leo in Texas
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Post by prodigit on Mar 9, 2013 23:19:20 GMT -5
My personal 2ct. Don't take it personally, but this is how I view the issue towards myself:
I generally don't let it get to me.
Just like if I am the one, ever to make a mistake, and someone horns at me like a lunatic from mars, and I just try to get away from it, feeling shame of my error; so I try to get away from dangerous situations done by other riders; just trying to get away from them, even if I'm fully in my right, and all dangerous occasions where done by the other driver.
I figure:
1- It doesn't compute, getting angry over someone making a mistake; you'll lose time; and time is money, but it is also bad to lose time arguing which you could be spending enjoying the ride!
2- Most of the time, our error is in to assume that a cager does these things against us, or does them to us on purpose. That's 99% not the case. In many cases, the cager may be sleepy, doing make up, or calling on the cellphone, or other things he or she should or should not be doing, and really hasn't noticed us.
3- Even if the cager would be doing things he or she should not be doing, quite often a quick horn, or blink would be sufficient. If they are humane, they will notice the blunder on their part, and perhaps be more attentive after that. Not all people need a full blown screaming session.
4- Even if the cager would be doing things on purpose, eg: ride in front of you and brake; it is prudent to know that you're the weaker one in traffic.
You can get angry, show your fist, call them all kind of "F" names, to get your anger satisfied, and go on. But once you start taking things too seriously, and possibly stop 'to teach him a lesson', you could end up in a fight with a chav, drunk or punk.
And even if you manage to beat the punk unconciousness, and he managed to pull one blow on you, you don't want to be coming home with a bruise (not to mention the emotional trauma of going through a fight).
5- Remember that you're the weaker species on the road. Eventhough you are in your rights, your rights mean very little if the cager gets angry, and decides to run you over, and run off.
He could get upto 25 years of jail time, but that won't satisfy you (or your family) if you're permanently disabled, or killed.
Just don't run the risk!
6- Lastly, shrugging it off as soon as possible, may make you seem weak, but in reality, it makes you stronger. You shrug off the error, and get on with your life as soon as possible. It helps you forget. Getting angry makes you remember, get high blood pressure, and short tempered.
Shrugging off, makes you wise, and you won't experience the tension. If you don't experience the tension, there won't be any adrenaline rushing through your veins, and if that is the case, then you more than likely won't make mistakes yourself (quite often, when adrenaline rushes through people, they make mistakes, underestimating their strength, or reaction to situations).
I really see no reason to get angry at all, even if the cager is 100% at fault.
So if you ask me, the main problem lies with the rider of the 2 wheeler. You'll always have people trying to tackle you off the road, and you pretty much agreed with that arrangement the day you sealed the purchase of the 2 wheeler!
Yes, many people are not riding the way they supposed to, but that does not grant you to do the same (or worse; like for instance, it is a lot worse, to punch a cager for doing wrong, than as a cager to make a miscalculation).
My advise:
Remain a gentleman, and keep going. It helps getting away from the scene of the near accident as soon as possible!
And when there is an accident, the first thing you should be worrying about is everyone's health, not in teaching the other a lesson.
Let the courts teach them a lesson, if they have been found guilty!
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Post by oldchopperguy on Mar 10, 2013 1:16:37 GMT -5
My personal 2ct. Don't take it personally, but this is how I view the issue towards myself: I generally don't let it get to me. Just like if I am the one, ever to make a mistake, and someone horns at me like a lunatic from mars, and I just try to get away from it, feeling shame of my error; so I try to get away from dangerous situations done by other riders; just trying to get away from them, even if I'm fully in my right, and all dangerous occasions where done by the other driver. I figure: 1- It doesn't compute, getting angry over someone making a mistake; you'll lose time; and time is money, but it is also bad to lose time arguing which you could be spending enjoying the ride! 2- Most of the time, our error is in to assume that a cager does these things against us, or does them to us on purpose. That's 99% not the case. In many cases, the cager may be sleepy, doing make up, or calling on the cellphone, or other things he or she should or should not be doing, and really hasn't noticed us. 3- Even if the cager would be doing things he or she should not be doing, quite often a quick horn, or blink would be sufficient. If they are humane, they will notice the blunder on their part, and perhaps be more attentive after that. Not all people need a full blown screaming session. 4- Even if the cager would be doing things on purpose, eg: ride in front of you and brake; it is prudent to know that you're the weaker one in traffic. You can get angry, show your fist, call them all kind of "F" names, to get your anger satisfied, and go on. But once you start taking things too seriously, and possibly stop 'to teach him a lesson', you could end up in a fight with a chav, drunk or punk. And even if you manage to beat the punk unconciousness, and he managed to pull one blow on you, you don't want to be coming home with a bruise (not to mention the emotional trauma of going through a fight). 5- Remember that you're the weaker species on the road. Eventhough you are in your rights, your rights mean very little if the cager gets angry, and decides to run you over, and run off. He could get upto 25 years of jail time, but that won't satisfy you (or your family) if you're permanently disabled, or killed. Just don't run the risk! 6- Lastly, shrugging it off as soon as possible, may make you seem weak, but in reality, it makes you stronger. You shrug off the error, and get on with your life as soon as possible. It helps you forget. Getting angry makes you remember, get high blood pressure, and short tempered. Shrugging off, makes you wise, and you won't experience the tension. If you don't experience the tension, there won't be any adrenaline rushing through your veins, and if that is the case, then you more than likely won't make mistakes yourself (quite often, when adrenaline rushes through people, they make mistakes, underestimating their strength, or reaction to situations). I really see no reason to get angry at all, even if the cager is 100% at fault. So if you ask me, the main problem lies with the rider of the 2 wheeler. You'll always have people trying to tackle you off the road, and you pretty much agreed with that arrangement the day you sealed the purchase of the 2 wheeler! Yes, many people are not riding the way they supposed to, but that does not grant you to do the same (or worse; like for instance, it is a lot worse, to punch a cager for doing wrong, than as a cager to make a miscalculation). My advise: Remain a gentleman, and keep going. It helps getting away from the scene of the near accident as soon as possible! And when there is an accident, the first thing you should be worrying about is everyone's health, not in teaching the other a lesson. Let the courts teach them a lesson, if they have been found guilty! Before shaking your fist and calling names though, at least around here, THAT will usually bring you a quick 20-round burst from an AR-15 or a load of double-O buckshot... I think the locals here show the last scene from "Easy Rider" as a "teaching tool" ... LOL!Ride safe, ride friendly...Leo in Texas |
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Post by CopperDeer on Mar 10, 2013 8:07:03 GMT -5
prodigit breaking it down so I don't have to ;D I naturally had some rage against the cage when I first started scooting but then I realized that actually the majority of cagers I was around were being pretty considerate. It only takes one or two out of a hundred to piss you off, and that's not worth getting all fizzled up about. I just try to stay safe, or alive for that matter. Getting a 100cc BBK helped a lot, like a whole different world. It's not about who is right, it's about who is left!
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Post by docxen on Mar 10, 2013 8:41:11 GMT -5
I just wish more of them would go around me then following me very close to my bumper. Maybe like a bus i should get a "i stop at all Rail Road crossings" tag. Had to go across a rr faster than i liked and still got the angry honk.
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Post by payneib on Mar 10, 2013 9:02:35 GMT -5
I just wish more of them would go around me then following me very close to my bumper. Maybe like a bus i should get a "i stop at all Rail Road crossings" tag. Had to go across a rr faster than i liked and still got the angry honk. This is a massive one for me! My CBT instructor told us that on a road where you can go the limit, stay in the middle of the lane. For roads where you're too slow (on a 50cc generally), or if some one is coming up faster behind, ride slightly into the side. So on my 125, I should be in the middle of the lane, unless some one is speeding, or I'm going up hill, and just move over slightly to give everyone more space for overtaking. I don't do that anymore. Now I just stay in the middle. I've found that if I move over, the people who do overtake, don't bother to pull out, and practically force me off the road. Those that don't overtake just get closer and closer and closer to my number plate. Not a comfortable way to ride at 60mph, while you're dodging drain covers, pot holes and road kill. Now I only move over in fairly specific situations: if a car has been behind me for a while, keeping a properly safe distance, and the road is clear ahead, then I'll move over for them, and even give a wave as they go by. Ian |
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Post by SylvreKat on Mar 10, 2013 12:35:45 GMT -5
I've found that if I move over, the people who do overtake, don't bother to pull out, and practically force me off the road. That's exactly why my MSF coaches have all told us do not move over to allow "easier" passing. Stay in your track, let them pass as they would a car. >'Kat |
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Post by prodigit on Mar 10, 2013 15:48:42 GMT -5
Actually, a car can brake faster than a motorcycle or heavy scooter.
Any scooter over 250LBS, generally has lousy braking capabilities, even with ABS, and wheel lockup.
If a car is behind you, you can be fairly sure that it brakes faster than a scoot (except the lightweight 50cc scoots)!
Has to do with the contact surface with the road. Scoots have very little contact with the road. Cars tires have over 6x better grip with the road, and twice that, because they have 4 instead of 2 tires.
Most cars's weight is < 12x of your scoot, however their grip usually is >12x.
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Post by payneib on Mar 10, 2013 15:55:38 GMT -5
I'll remember that next time I've got a headlight in each mirror, and need to slow down for a corner..........
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Post by bambamofatlanta on Mar 10, 2013 18:56:11 GMT -5
Today for the first time I saw it happen the other way.
A gang of chromed out crotch rockets (~30) started turning left infront of traffic forcing all the cars to stop on a green light.
Horns started blowing, but the motorcycles just took their time blocking 2 lanes of traffic.
Darn! That is a big gang, I normally only pack 41 rounds. Clips jumped from ~$15 to +$50 ... thanks Obama.
I would be 2nd in one of the lanes, so I could not test their balls with my Town Car bumper. Lol!
I got the distinct feeling, this was not a cool biker group. I think SHTF would have occured if someone tested this group.
There goes the neigborhood.
And some idiots don't understand why we need hi-capacity accurate firepower.
This ticks me off because my town has never had any obivous gangs and they where never large groups.
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Really dude? Maybe you should start looking in the rearview then? Just maybe??
