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Post by spandi on Jun 10, 2013 23:30:17 GMT -5
Well then do me a favor Guy, when you fix Fawkes back up, baby him (dontcha think he deserves it?)
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Post by americanpsycho on Jun 10, 2013 23:34:33 GMT -5
I am not saying all Chinese scooters are a total P.O.S. like a $695 internet special. But the fact remains, even the so called "better" Chinese scooter (like Znen is supposed to be) does not use the same grade metal as Taiwanese or Japanese scooter manufacturers. Plain and simple, mile for mile a Kymco, Genuine or Sym engine will on average far outlast anything Chinese manufactured. Some of these Taiwanese offer budget models that are assembled in China to cut labor costs. If they are making the effort to lower the price, why then do they still use Taiwanese manufactured engines? If a Chinese engine is just as good, why would they not use that and offer even a lower price? There's a very good reason for that, and you guys know it. Are Chinese scooters much improved these days? Maybe. Will a Chinese scooter offer reasonable service life? Well, compared to what they used to be, if you think reaching 10k-15k is good, then yes. But now that a "budget" Taiwanese scooter only costs 25% - 50% more than a "better" Chinese scooter, and it will last at least 2 to 3 times longer, how are you saving money (and time) with a Znen? Really, it's simple math... Gitsum, where do you get your math ? I em asking where you are getting your figures as to longevity ? From what I'm seeing Kymco don't last any longer than any other Chinese scooter.. The only exception Ive seen is Aprila, they do very much seem to last.. Where I live, many ride scooters, where I work is in a small town surrounded by other small towns 20 to 30 miles away.. Many many guys ride their scooters from these small towns to my job.. I have seen many a kymco go down with major problems such as rods knocking, failed oil pumps, ect.. A few i have fixed and have seen the inside of those 139's.. I can tell you I saw no difference in actual engine than the Chinese 139, nor did I see any difference in the metals used in their manufacture, and engine failure rates seem to be about the same... That's only because people are lazy these days and don't care about their property. |
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Post by larry001964 on Jun 10, 2013 23:48:03 GMT -5
Well then do me a favor Guy, when you fix Fawkes back up, baby him (dontcha think he deserves it?) Yea he sure does deserve it, he got me out of the worst period of my life, It was rough on both of us. |
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Post by mikestib1 on Jul 27, 2015 14:17:32 GMT -5
The Kymco Agility models are produced in China.All major automobile manufacture vehicles in China. Personally if I buy a Bintelli or Wolf for a reasonable price I don't care if it lasts 20000 miles. I guess a Chevy built in China would blow up within a year or two. Buying a Bintelli with local dealer service and have no worries. All this lack of quality debate and prejudice reminds me of the bad rep Japanese cars had in the 60's. I especially like the bashing by people who never bought a Znen scooter. Hope they don't own a Apple phone.
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Post by javarod on Jul 28, 2015 4:11:01 GMT -5
The Kymco Agility models are produced in China.All major automobile manufacture vehicles in China. Personally if I buy a Bintelli or Wolf for a reasonable price I don't care if it lasts 20000 miles. I guess a Chevy built in China would blow up within a year or two. Buying a Bintelli with local dealer service and have no worries. All this lack of quality debate and prejudice reminds me of the bad rep Japanese cars had in the 60's. I especially like the bashing by people who never bought a Znen scooter. Hope they don't own a Apple phone. The important thing is support, as much as quality. I remember back around 08, and you had low quality scooters coming from low quality makers flooding the market, hence the reputation. The manufacturers obviously won't back up their product for the retail customer, that's not their job, and that's assuming you could figure out who made your bike, but considering that a lot of the importers were either shysters or running on a shoestring, you didn't get much support from them either. A dealer at the south end of the county offers scooters starting around $600 to $700, but what do you think that buys you? With my Havoc, even with the intermittent problem i'm having (which seems to be gone, knock on wood), i haven't been too worried as the dealer has been rock solid about supporting the scooter, and the road service and warranty give me plenty of confidence that the problem when found will be fixed right. |
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Post by spandi on Jul 28, 2015 14:47:17 GMT -5
The Kymco Agility models are produced in China.All major automobile manufacture vehicles in China. Personally if I buy a Bintelli or Wolf for a reasonable price I don't care if it lasts 20000 miles. I guess a Chevy built in China would blow up within a year or two. Buying a Bintelli with local dealer service and have no worries. All this lack of quality debate and prejudice reminds me of the bad rep Japanese cars had in the 60's. I especially like the bashing by people who never bought a Znen scooter. Hope they don't own a Apple phone. The important thing is support, as much as quality. I remember back around 08, and you had low quality scooters coming from low quality makers flooding the market, hence the reputation. The manufacturers obviously won't back up their product for the retail customer, that's not their job, and that's assuming you could figure out who made your bike, but considering that a lot of the importers were either shysters or running on a shoestring, you didn't get much support from them either. A dealer at the south end of the county offers scooters starting around $600 to $700, but what do you think that buys you? With my Havoc, even with the intermittent problem i'm having (which seems to be gone, knock on wood), i haven't been too worried as the dealer has been rock solid about supporting the scooter, and the road service and warranty give me plenty of confidence that the problem when found will be fixed right. Yeah, well in 2008 gas prices were very high, and so was the demand for anything fuel efficient. The Chinese manufacturers were turning scoots out like hotcakes (and with about the same level of quality) That's why I always tell folks to stay away from anything made before 2010.  |
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jul 28, 2015 16:36:23 GMT -5
The important thing is support, as much as quality. I remember back around 08, and you had low quality scooters coming from low quality makers flooding the market, hence the reputation. The manufacturers obviously won't back up their product for the retail customer, that's not their job, and that's assuming you could figure out who made your bike, but considering that a lot of the importers were either shysters or running on a shoestring, you didn't get much support from them either. A dealer at the south end of the county offers scooters starting around $600 to $700, but what do you think that buys you? With my Havoc, even with the intermittent problem i'm having (which seems to be gone, knock on wood), i haven't been too worried as the dealer has been rock solid about supporting the scooter, and the road service and warranty give me plenty of confidence that the problem when found will be fixed right. Yeah, well in 2008 gas prices were very high, and so was the demand for anything fuel efficient. The Chinese manufacturers were turning scoots out like hotcakes (and with about the same level of quality) That's why I always tell folks to stay away from anything made before 2010. In most cases, that is true. There were a few really quality Chinese brands prior to 2010... QJ was my favorite. Still have one in my garage, it is a beast of a 49cc 2 stroke scooter. We at Bintelli pride ourselves in only having dealers carry our Bintelli (and now Adly) scooters that will stand behind the sales they make. We've gotten rid of several dealers over the last few years that wouldn't take care of our customers. We care about our end users and want to make sure they are supported. |
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Post by mikestib1 on Jul 29, 2015 13:21:04 GMT -5
Ordered a Bintelli Prime 49 from a local repair motorcycle shop with a good rep. Will let you know how it works out. If I have a good experience, I will give it to my wife and buy a 150 Scorch as I have a motorcycle endorsement. I've owned about forty motorcycles and live in a small pop  ,000 city so I'm ready for a new type of transport. My Triumph Scrambler weighs 500 pounds and I'm hitting old age so downsizing seems right. It also seems oil changes and valve adjustments are like I used to do with tappets and locknuts, not shims and buckets or disassembling the whole bike for maintenance. |
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Post by blue on Jul 29, 2015 16:14:31 GMT -5
I have the bintelli sprint. And I love it. I beleave its the owner him or her self is the falt of a bad scoot. If you don't take care of it and give it its reg, oil change and tune ups. they wont last. mine is 2 years old with more then 4000. miles on it. I ride hard and far .may not be the best scoot for doing mods to. but the best buld scoot I have had in a while.The only bad thing that happen to my scoot was a flat tire and had to get a new one.my dealer is with me for all the help I may need with it. a dealer that will stand by his word means a lot and ill go back to him anyday...........I had kymcos and Hondas and theam dealers suck..........When it comes to warrenty.........
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Post by mikestib1 on Jul 29, 2015 16:21:26 GMT -5
Glad to hear the Bintellis are decent as I am picking up a Prime 50 for my wife and maybe a Scorch 150 for me later.
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,000 city so I'm ready for a new type of transport. My Triumph Scrambler weighs 500 pounds and I'm hitting old age so downsizing seems right. It also seems oil changes and valve adjustments are like I used to do with tappets and locknuts, not shims and buckets or disassembling the whole bike for maintenance.
