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Post by prodigit on May 5, 2013 17:15:51 GMT -5
So, I have the custom to treat the engine with seafoam, about every 1000kms.
It's good for the engine, cleans the carb, keeps the fuel in a good condition and so on...
Last time I filled it up with Chemtool B12.
The bottle said that it rebuilds compression; which it does.
Basically that means faster take off speeds, and slightly higher top end if your valves aren't set up correctly. On a scooter with correct valve adjustment, you may not notice much difference at all.
I don't know for sure, but have the impression that it actually seals the valves better (has some kind of substance in it that can seal off the valve spacing or something).
Most of it wears off after one or two tanks of gas; but some stays in the engine.
Once you put seafoam in the tank, it basically undoes whatever chemtool does; basically get whatever sealing agent there is in chemtool off the valves; as well as most other deposit.
Chemtool B12 also releases energy like fuel as it burns up, while seafoam does not. Adding too much seafoam in the gasoline makes it lower quality gasoline, while adding too much chemtool doesn't degrade performance too much at all.
I don't know about the cleaning properties of Chemtool B12, but if you ever want to race your scooter against another scooter, or want to sell your scoot and want to impress the next buyer, put a shot of B12 in the fuel, it surely can't harm.
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Post by alleyoop on May 5, 2013 17:59:23 GMT -5
Chemtool B12 is a solvent that is why they use it to clean Fuel Injectors it mostly consists of Acetone. It is used as a solvent to dissolve other substances, such as paints, varnishes, lacquers, fats, oils, waxes, resins, printing inks, plastics, and glues. It is used to make plastics, fibers, drugs, rayon, photographic film, smokeless powder, and other chemicals. It is also used for cleaning and drying precision parts.
So knowing that you do not want to be putting it into your gas tank very often. It is a strong cleaner which dissolves anything it touchs, like your oil for lubrication.
Alleyoop
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Post by prodigit on May 5, 2013 18:12:16 GMT -5
Actually the bottle says it's safe for fuel treatment. If it was a solvent, I'd worry if it would eat through the fuel lines.
But thanks for the warning, I'll probably need to read the bottle when I come home.
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Post by carasdad on May 5, 2013 19:47:47 GMT -5
What alleyoop said.  It cleans very well. I occasionally use it in my tank...but works great to soak carbs in for a deep cleaning. The Xylene is use to increase my octane is also a paint remover and will even remove epoxy. So it also keeps the carb super clean. The Xylene I use to make my 'NASCAR' fuel not only has an ultra high octane...it also has a higher BTU than gasoline. So it does 3 things...keeps the carb clean...ups the octane(no more ping from pump gas) and the extra BTU's give me a bit more power. Oh...4 things...last one is...it smells good when it burns...like a day at the drag strip...NASCAR Race...or Kyle Petty's exhaust pipe... ;D I figure if it's good enough for NASCAR...it's good enough for me...plus cheaper than Toluene.....and easier to find...as hardware and paint stores sell it. To answer the question before it is asked...YES...my 2T screamin demon scoot burns a mix of gas and paint remover. ;D I love it when folks smell my scoot and say.."Are you buying TORCO Gas from the speedway down the road?"..and I say..nope...I am making it at home..  |
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Post by rockynv on May 6, 2013 11:57:24 GMT -5
B12 is a better cleaner than Seafoam and can help unstick rings removing a ton of carbon deposits. Use it before you have a problem but only on a monthly basis and you should be just fine.
I use the B12 dip tank when dealing with carbs that have been let go too long and if is not metal and you want to save it do not put it in the dip. Similar to what happened on Rodger Rabbit when a Toon was put in "The Dip".
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Post by prodigit on May 6, 2013 12:41:39 GMT -5
If it is a paint remover, I'd be worried about the gas tank
It might remove inside paint, and send that through the engine.
Also, paint removed from tank, means a faster rusting tank.
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Post by DaveC on May 6, 2013 13:26:54 GMT -5
I didn't know they painted the 'inside' of the tank
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Post by carasdad on May 6, 2013 14:21:54 GMT -5
None of our 5 scoots has painted inside tank..nor did any car I ever owned as gasoline removes paint as well. I use Chemtool-B12 as carb soak as someone mentioned above. I no longer use it in the tank as the Xylene is a solvent and keeps the carb super clean. If it was a bad thing and ate rubber seals etc... Race Car drivers would not be using it. Who wants to be in the lead..one lap to go..and it eats your intake gasket or fuel lines? Human nature is that we always "Nay Say" that which we have not tried...don't understand...fear the end results....or cannot justify it with what we think to be logic. For us to think outside the box is not common..because it disrupts our already established knowledge base..opinions or conceptions of all things we believe in. Yes I run a solvent in my gas. But how does that differ from Sea Foam or B-12 being as they are solvents as well? Here is why..it comes in can labeled "add to gas at xx%" So since the can says it's ok and the ads say it's ok...then..well..it's ok. We take that for granted. But to introduce something such as Xylene..we go against it...because we are too busy trying to find fault in it..as it does not come labeled as "add to gas"..plus our human nature as I stated above...will NOT allow us to accept that which we have never heard of..or thought of. Think for a moment and you will realize we all fear new things...to the point even that we do our best to find reasons it is bad or wrong..vice actually looking into it. Sort of.."Hmm..it's new or different..f that...it won't work..it's no good" So what occurs is that the growth of our intellect..is shut off...denied or shunted by our current intellect. Ironic is it not? Here is a Chippewa proverb translated that sheds more light... "Never WASTE your time, trying to come up with hundreds of reasons why something may not work or benefit you. Instead, INVEST your time in search, because you only need to find ONE good reason why it will enhance you or your endeavor" Kekylita ashadii mutobahanik bebegala ayo <-- We learn from our eyes and ears,not from our mouths. |
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Post by carasdad on May 6, 2013 19:02:36 GMT -5
Starting feel bad..and wonder what is up. I hope I am not annoying or angering folks...but it seems like whenever we get a good discussion going. I make a post and the majority of the time..nobody posts after I do...the thing just slowly scrolls down the main page and disappears. My sincere apology if I am saying something wrong etc. If so please let me know and I will filter what I say...or whatever needs to be done. As I said it just feels as if I am killing good discussions. Sorry folks, Glenn..  |
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Post by rockynv on May 6, 2013 21:43:50 GMT -5
In the amounts directed it won't harm coated tanks per se however with abuse you could accelerate a tanks failure in progress. We are only talking one or two ounces per gallon of additives that some compainies add in small quantities to gasoline when it is delivered to a gas station. Many time gasoline becomes Shell, Exxon, Mobile, etc (I am generalizing here and some brands mentioned could be exceptions) only after they add the brand specific additive pack when the gas is being delivered so you can end up getting several brands of very different gasoline in a variety of colours off the same tanker truck.
The bigger caution would be to not use high quantaties of an ethanol based additive in a fuel that already had ethanol in it.
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
