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Post by ninjafatballz on Apr 28, 2013 9:19:46 GMT -5
so im curious, who has had the most miles on a 50cc without a catastrophic failure? Im curious, how long they will last..  |
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 28, 2013 9:51:52 GMT -5
EPA says 18000 miles.
I get 9000 mile per crankshaft. or 350 hours
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Post by carasdad on Apr 28, 2013 9:55:15 GMT -5
so im curious, who has had the most miles on a 50cc without a catastrophic failure? Im curious, how long they will last.. No real answer for that...to many variables. How you ride it...weather..atmosphere...altitude(high elevation vs low elevation causing rich or lean conditions)..grade of oil you use..how often you change it...whether or not you are 300+lbs on a 50cc Scoot....grade of gas you use...fuel additives you use(most are detrimental even though they claim better power etc..Sea Foam and Chemtool b-12 are ok)...so many variables to consider. I will say..a few years ago I sold an 03 Tank Urban Sporty 50cc with 12,800 miles on it. All stock parts still on it...even the Gates Powerlink belt and NGK plug. Just a few minor repairs such as valve adjustments which are normal. Kid put 2,000 more miles on it and the belt finally broke. Replaced that for him and he is now just shy of 18,000 miles. When I sold Scoots I kept 5 for our family fleet..all did well except one. The others are over 9,000 miles now..BUT one only got just over 300 miles and the rings went...no compression would not run. Before I do a rebuild on any customers Scoot..I always take the valve cover off..crank it..and check for oil flow. Sure enough..that one had zilch for oil flow...pump was probably bad from the factory. New pump..new top end and it is now about 5,000 miles with no probs. So there ya have it in a nutshell. You were expecting a simple one sentence reply huh? ;D Sorry 'bout that..but there is no one sentence reply on ANYTHING mechanical..  |
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Post by hank on Apr 28, 2013 9:59:25 GMT -5
so im curious, who has had the most miles on a 50cc without a catastrophic failure? Im curious, how long they will last.. No real answer for that...to many variables. How you ride it...weather..atmosphere...altitude(high elevation vs low elevation causing rich or lean conditions)..grade of oil you use..how often you change it...whether or not you are 300+lbs on a 50cc Scoot....grade of gas you use...fuel additives you use(most are detrimental even though they claim better power etc..Sea Foam and Chemtool b-12 are ok)...so many variables to consider. I will say..a few years ago I sold an 03 Tank Urban Sporty 50cc with 12,800 miles on it. All stock parts still on it...even the Gates Powerlink belt and NGK plug. Just a few minor repairs such as valve adjustments which are normal. Kid put 2,000 more miles on it and the belt finally broke. Replaced that for him and he is now just shy of 18,000 miles. When I sold Scoots I kept 5 for our family fleet..all did well except one. The others are over 9,000 miles now..BUT one only got just over 300 miles and the rings went...no compression would not run. Before I do a rebuild on any customers Scoot..I always take the valve cover off..crank it..and check for oil flow. Sure enough..that one had zilch for oil flow...pump was probably bad from the factory. New pump..new top end and it is now about 5,000 miles with no probs. So there ya have it in a nutshell. You were expecting a simple one sentence reply huh? ;D Sorry 'bout that..but there is no one sentence reply on ANYTHING mechanical.. Hi Glenn You hit the nail squarely on the head , i agree 100% Theres just too many variables Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by ninjafatballz on Apr 28, 2013 10:02:43 GMT -5
Well mainly im curious about the chinese scoots... I cant remember is Tank is a chinese or not.. I have a friend who has owned 2 Honda elite 80's .. the first one he put over 20,000 miles on it until some old woman in a car slammed into the back of him nd destroyed the scooter and nearly killed him... Well he bought one identical to it after he healed up from the accident, and right now he has close to 30,000 on it completely stock and never been rebuilt whatsoever... all hes ever done to it is replace the exhaust twice, because it broke off from the bad roads here in SC, and he regularly changes the oil... Those japanese scoots are pretty badass.. Wish I wasnt so poor, I would get one.
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Post by ninjafatballz on Apr 28, 2013 10:04:43 GMT -5
chihuahuas: what do mean by EPA says 18,000? Also are you saying that all your chinese scoots wear out at 9000 miles?
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 28, 2013 10:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by ninjafatballz on Apr 28, 2013 10:16:37 GMT -5
kymco is chinese isnt it?
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Post by carasdad on Apr 28, 2013 10:29:46 GMT -5
Well mainly im curious about the chinese scoots... I cant remember is Tank is a chinese or not.. I have a friend who has owned 2 Honda elite 80's .. the first one he put over 20,000 miles on it until some old woman in a car slammed into the back of him nd destroyed the scooter and nearly killed him... Well he bought one identical to it after he healed up from the accident, and right now he has close to 30,000 on it completely stock and never been rebuilt whatsoever... all hes ever done to it is replace the exhaust twice, because it broke off from the bad roads here in SC, and he regularly changes the oil... Those japanese scoots are pretty badass.. Wish I wasnt so poor, I would get one. Tank is Chinese and no longer made...they sold out to another company last I heard. There is a guy in my tiny town here..with 26,000 miles on his Chinese 50cc Scoot. He can't afford gas for his car..so he rides his Scoot 44 miles round trip..10 months of the year to get to work. Only uses his car in January and February..maybe a bit in March..as those are our 'Tons of snow' months. Only work he has done besides valve adjustments is replace 3 belts..because he will not spend the extra 10 bux for a premium belt...he just buys the Chinese low end..low cost belts. Which are not much more than an overrated black Rubber Band.  Chinese Scoots have come a long way in the past 10 years...you'd be surprised. So dispatch all those rumors you've heard about them. They have been forced to improve quality cause for awhile...folks got tired of them and would not buy one. As for your Japanese rides..guess who now makes most of their parts? Yup..China..because it is cheaper. Then they assemble them in Japan and make a higher over head on their profit. yet another factoid...your proud "Buy American" Harley Davidson owners..don't even know many of their parts are made in China. My parts wholesaler in China... Luna Hyosung ...tells me she stocks many Harley parts. Mirrors..turn signals...headlights..body trim pieces...primary drive chains...and lots more. Again not American made Harleys anymore...they are now.."Assembled in Milwaukee Wisconsin" motorcycles. yup... |
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Post by hank on Apr 28, 2013 10:35:58 GMT -5
kymco is chinese isnt it? Hi Kymco is manufactured in Taiwan and are a step above chinese scoots quality wise Take care and ride safely Yours Hank |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 28, 2013 10:46:46 GMT -5
kymco is chinese isnt it? If you want a cheaper than Japanese..but better than Chinese..try a Znen. The Puma and Armor are quality. I call them the Cadillac's of low cost scooters. Smooth ride...comfy..less QC issues with them.  Bintelli is nice to...but I no longer see John or Jason on here anymore...just their banner... |
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Post by ninjafatballz on Apr 28, 2013 10:53:36 GMT -5
Nah, I actually love my chinese scooter, It's very comfortable, the suspension is just perfect for me, its slighty stiff but not over bearing, and it handles great.. This scooter has alot of power for a 50cc.. I still havent found found anyone riding on a 50 that can keep up with it. im not quite sure why that is.. I dont know if the previous owner changed any parts, but I havent seen any that is visible... but yea.. other than the fact I am worried its gonna blow up soon, because it has 4500 miles on it, I absolutely love it.
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Post by hank on Apr 28, 2013 10:58:58 GMT -5
kymco is chinese isnt it? If you want a cheaper than Japanese..but better than Chinese..try a Znen. The Puma and Armor are quality. I call them the Cadillac's of low cost scooters. Smooth ride...comfy..less QC issues with them.  Bintelli is nice to...but I no longer see John or Jason on here anymore...just their banner... Hi Glenn I agree My Puma was topnotch Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 28, 2013 11:08:10 GMT -5
Nah, I actually love my chinese scooter, It's very comfortable, the suspension is just perfect for me, its slighty stiff but not over bearing, and it handles great.. This scooter has alot of power for a 50cc.. I still havent found found anyone riding on a 50 that can keep up with it. im not quite sure why that is.. I dont know if the previous owner changed any parts, but I havent seen any that is visible... but yea.. other than the fact I am worried its gonna blow up soon, because it has 4500 miles on it, I absolutely love it. "Nature of the beast"...as I always say. When I sold new Scoots...I could uncrate..setup and PDI 5 of them. 4 would be typical stock 50cc take off and speed...about 32mph. But it never failed ! of those 5 would take off fast and hit 40-42mph!..and you could feel the difference. We called them "Sleepers" Tuning and adjusting the others gave a tiny improvement...but the "Sleepers" would still smoke them. Not a clue why..we even looked the bore to make sure it was 39mm(49cc) not 47mm(72cc) because several times China has sent over 72cc Scoots that passed customs and EPA checks...so folks got faster Scoot. Tao Tao just recently was sending over 44mm(63cc) Scoots..until they got caught. Busted! But now and then a few of those have seemed to slip through. The original design and size of the 50 engines was 72cc..which is legal in Asian countries and a few others. But not the U.S...Germany..France..England and a few others. So they make them a 39mm bore so we can buy them. But fear not! We can buy 63..80 and 100cc top end kits to install on them. Direct bolt on. |
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 28, 2013 11:29:29 GMT -5
I think a woman got 40,000 miles on a Genuine Buddy . The trick to long life is simple , break in in right , keep the oil fresh and do not abuse it . I have had around 20 or 2T 49cc like Garelli , Puch , Tomos , several Hondas , a Spree . Elite , Express and Urban Express and they seem superior to most of the new scooters as far as reliability . Now the pedal mopeds are much slower and drag go up hill since they use a single speed chain drive instead of a CVT . The Urban Express I rode it mostly with a passenger and since I had so many I would have group rides on my toys . The Urban Express never once had anything done to it besides tires and brake shoes and one headlight . I rode the Spree for 2 years hard like any 18 year old would . I bought it wrecked and had to replace the forks and front tire . All it ever needed was tires later and shoes too . I was so used to Honda that when I bought a TaoTao Atm I had a meltdown when the piston cracked on the second day and blew up 6 weeks later . I put on a Air Sal 50mm BBK as I had no interest in another piston kit made out of butter and recycled pot metal .
After that nightmare I decided to research scooters before making another mistake . Yes I love Hondas but for that much money I could get a used Honda Civic or 600cc cruiser . What is funny is I joined SD right when the piston exploded ( 2nd time ) and posted a fuss on it and my scooter dealer replied not knowing it was me at the time and I thought it was ironic that I said you will get to see it Tuesday as they are closed on Mondays . I read reviews on the CFMoto Echarm and Glory which he tried to sell me to me the first time buy saying how much better they are but I only had a grand to spend as I hated putting 80 a week in gas in my van . So far I am at 15,300 miles with no problems and is still a beast as it is one of the fastest 150s ever .
Most run into trouble when they make a change to the exhaust or airfilter resulting in it being too lean and burn up the piston . Since the 50s are restricted a larger main jet or a unsealed carb is a safe mod and safer than being borderline lean with the factory settings . Now you can change roller weights and be fine as long as not too light to were the engines revs high too much or too heavy to where it strains going up hill . Change the engine oil and gear lube first thing before riding it and never go over 1,000 miles without changing the oil . Many replace the fuel line and vacuum hoses and fuel filter with common automotive fuel line and any standard fuel filter . I like the golden cones myself . Put a NGK sparkplug preferably iridium type but standard is good too as some come with a Torch brand of plug and NGK is the only brand to use
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