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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 15:53:46 GMT -5
Confuzzled wrong part sent.What is this thing? I ordered a common 4 pin rectifier/regulator and they send this. So I mount it to my Jonway 2T and the lights were super dim...the wire barely even had a glow. Tried on a 4T Sunny..same thing.Almost twice as big as the r/r on either scoot. So I take a pic of the old one and new one to send them because this was obviously the wrong part. They concurred it was definitely wrong. They sent me a full wave floating ground rectifier he said. ok.. Full wave?....Floating ground? Anybody know what this means besides it won't work on a typical Minarelli or GY6? He said just keep it...no need to send it back..he would just send the correct one. So what is full wave....and floating ground?... and does anybody use one of these. Not an Electronics Engineer...that was my father. All I know is the normal r/r I get say 1/2 wave and that's it. Full wave and floating ground has me scratching my head. What is full wave...and how can a ground 'float' I thought you either had a good solid ground...or you didn't have a ground...whereas nothing would work  Attachments:
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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 18:35:26 GMT -5
Good...so I am not the only one that doesn't know....20 others that read the post don't know either....so we all must be confuzzled huh?... ;D
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 12, 2013 20:19:08 GMT -5
been there done that , that is why I went with 11pole stator and 7pin regulator . now I have no worries about the 4pin mystery .
John
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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 20:35:18 GMT -5
been there done that , that is why I went with 11pole stator and 7pin regulator . now I have no worries about the 4pin mystery . John John....you are the electrical type....any Idea what any of it is..or means?..Full wave or floating ground?.. |
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 12, 2013 20:56:11 GMT -5
I understand what it is all about , explaining it is another story . I think I have the regulator you need . Floating would require you to lift the grounds of the bank of coils (yellow and white) splice them together then use the ground from the regulator side . (I know its not clear) This is what I would try next www.testedscooterparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=10587386&searchop=or&x=16&y=8I know this one will charge the battery , the voltage was on the high side it was getting near 16vdc , a ballast resistor may load it down . You might want to add some lights or something . www.testedscooterparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=10562489&searchop=or&x=6&y=12JR might have some light to shed on this , I remember he mentioned something about 16v , I don't remember the details . It seems a too high for me my concern would be cooking the battery . If you have the time to tinker with adding some load I think you could balance the load with the second link . John |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 21:20:25 GMT -5
I understand what it is all about , explaining it is another story . I think I have the regulator you need . Floating would require you to lift the grounds of the bank of coils (yellow and white) splice them together then use the ground from the regulator side . (I know its not clear) This is what I would try next www.testedscooterparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=10587386&searchop=or&x=16&y=8I know this one will charge the battery , the voltage was on the high side it was getting near 16vdc , a ballast resistor may load it down . You might want to add some lights or something . www.testedscooterparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=10562489&searchop=or&x=6&y=12JR might have some light to shed on this , I remember he mentioned something about 16v , I don't remember the details . It seems a too high for me my concern would be cooking the battery . If you have the time to tinker with adding some load I think you could balance the load with the second link . John True....I could do the math and calculate a ballast resistor. But I am installing side mount running lights(too many close calls from blind cagers) So that should help bleed off some of the current. However I am not going to mess with that R/R....nor will I be getting anymore parts from that wholesaler as the 4-6 day express shipping I pay for...takes about 20 days...and every order I would estimate that 10% of it is incorrect parts.  |
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 12, 2013 21:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 21:37:04 GMT -5
Floating ground full wave charging system found on some 150cc scoot,3 Can be used if stator is connected like so:   you have to determine the correct pin out by finding the foward bias of the bridge rectifier using a multimeter and set it to diode.   Ahh ok...thanks. So it is for a 3 phase system? |
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 12, 2013 21:38:18 GMT -5
No, single phase
50cc 1/2 wave system
150cc fullwave single phase (Some, not all)
400cc + EFI most all have 3 phase.
50cc 70 watts
150cc 70watts - 120 watts
400cc+ 3 phase 260 watts
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Post by carasdad on Apr 12, 2013 21:48:06 GMT -5
No, single phase 50cc 1/2 wave system 150cc fullwave single phase (Some, not all) 400cc + EFI most all have 3 phase. 50cc 70 watts 150cc 70watts - 120 watts 400cc+ 3 phase 260 watts Ok kewl. So will a full wave work on the 50 that uses 1/2 wave? Not talking about ones like this I had sent incorrectly...which is a floating ground. So full wave without the floating ground..I see many of those and it seems they would put out more current since they are working on both + and - sides of the cycle. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 13, 2013 7:38:30 GMT -5
Ok...now that chihuahuas has defined what it is....if anybody needs one..let me know. Since it was sent as a wrong part..they told me just keep it and they would send the right one. Freebie to me....so freebie to you..just cover shipping.  |
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