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Post by kevinharrell on May 7, 2018 5:30:23 GMT -5
Which Fox is more macho? Fox Mulder  The Desert Fox  |
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Post by pistonguy on May 7, 2018 6:35:54 GMT -5
Erwin Rommel!!
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Post by SylvreKat on May 7, 2018 7:04:19 GMT -5
Rommel! He owned northern Africa's battles.
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Post by SylvreKat on May 7, 2018 7:05:47 GMT -5
A more interesting contest--
the Desert Fox?
or
the Swamp Fox?
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Post by wheelbender6 on May 7, 2018 7:44:15 GMT -5
The Desert Fox. If he didn't have enough battle tanks to win, he would turn his 88mm anti-aircraft guns on you and ruin your day.
Bringing up Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox was very astute of you, Kat.
Fox Mulder would get some votes if we had more lady members.
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 7, 2018 22:52:53 GMT -5
Rommel for sure...
I'm no fan of Nazi ideology but Rommel was one badazz dude. Too bad he wasn't on OUR side! He and Patton would have been quite a pair. Come to think of it, comparing Rommel and Patton would be a good contest!
Patton once said of Rommel something like "You magnificent bastard, I READ YOUR BOOK!" Patton learned well, and also did some magnificent butt-kicking on the Desert Fox with tanks far inferior to the German tanks! Pretty macho in its own right!
"Macho" is not limited to "good guys"... LOL! Those Kamikaze pilots were certainly macho... ONCE!
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Post by SylvreKat on May 9, 2018 7:58:24 GMT -5
... Bringing up Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox was very astute of you, Kat. wag ... Fox Mulder would get some votes if we had more lady members. This lady member does like Fox Mulder. But he really isn't what I'd consider macho. Just driven. And determined. Hm. Maybe that IS macho. Rommel for sure...
I'm no fan of Nazi ideology but Rommel was one badazz dude. Too bad he wasn't on OUR side! He and Patton would have been quite a pair. Come to think of it, comparing Rommel and Patton would be a good contest! ... I totally agree about the Nazis. But not all Nazis were Nazis. I think Rommel was one of those--didn't buy into the ideology but he was German and military so what could he do? Except leave beforehand like my Pappa, but sadly not everyone saw where things were heading. And man, wouldn't that have been impressive, Patton and Rommel working together? NOBODY would've beaten that pair! (shaking my head in sheer wonder at that image, Unca Leo) |
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Post by wheelbender6 on May 9, 2018 21:05:35 GMT -5
"I totally agree about the Nazis. But not all Nazis were Nazis."
Rommel supported Hitler's rise to power. However, he later regretted it. There is no evidence of him being an anti-semite. He even participated in a plot to assassinate Hitler.
"He and Patton would have been quite a pair. Come to think of it, comparing Rommel and Patton would be a good contest!"
That reminds me of the early structure of Rome. Before the time of Emporers, the Roman Empire (west) was ruled by two proconsuls at one time. Both were usually Roman Generals.
-Had Rommel not been forced to commit suicide by the Nazis, he may have been in some position of power after the war. Allied commanders considered Rommel to be a German patriot and a professional soldier, who sought no involvement with the Nazi party.
-A Rommel/Patton team may have been unstoppable. Patton was outspoken, dramatic and bombastic, while Rommel quietly and efficiently planned the annihilation of his adversary.
-Somebody should write an alternate history novel about a Rommel/Patton team.
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 11, 2018 0:02:56 GMT -5
Kat, Wheelbender6,
I must agree... There were a number of loyal German patriots involved in Hitler's war, and believe Rommel was one of them. Old-school regular German Army as opposed to Nazi party ilk...
I spent nearly two years in Germany from 1968-69 and made many friends among German nationals. Of the older generation, many had admiration for Hitler wanting to fix up the economy, and stabilize the government, but were appalled at his method of obtaining dictatorship, and his using hatred for Jews as a vehicle for "unification". Sort of a good example of "the road to hades is paved with good intentions"...
The Learning Channel once featured some of these fellows' stories. One German Luftwaffe ace (probably Adolf Galland) was so disturbed by the thought of dogfighting new, inexperienced Allied pilots that he had a habit of warning them over the radio in English who he was and that he had them in his sights, giving them a chance to bail out before he destroyed their planes. In a live interview after the war, Galland plainly stated that as a fighter-pilot, he was obliged to shoot down as many enemy planes as possible, but was not obligated to kill the pilots. I'm sure many rookie Allied pilots were thankful for that attitude, but went right back up next day fighting in a new plane... Not something Der Fuhrer would likely have approved of... LOL!
He also once encountered a severely damaged American bomber heading deep into Germany. The straggler was going the WRONG way and the German ace could not in good conscience shoot the crippled plane down. He got the pilot's attention (Oh, brother! I'll bet he did...) and motioned him to turn around and ESCORTED him back to Allied lines!!! Then turned around and high-tailed it back to German air-space.
You don't find THAT kind of chivalry among Nazis...
War is bad for all involved, and brings out the WORST, and the BEST of many who are skilled at it!
Ride safe!
Leo
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Post by wheelbender6 on May 12, 2018 20:27:53 GMT -5
Great stories, Leo. I had heard of such chivalrous acts among WWI German pilots. I did not realize that some of that chivalry continued into WWII.
The are some good examples in the movie The Blue Max. Starring George Peppard about WWI GERMAN pilots.
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