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Post by geh3333 on Jan 7, 2016 21:04:17 GMT -5
Take off the belt ,,,start it ,,,change variator,,,problem solved,,,that's straight from alley oops ,,,he's the greatest,,,,God bless his pointy little head Well the belt " at this point "was already removed and same issue. Why change variator ? Makes no sense at this point . Can someone please explain WHY the variator is the issue ? The only way the variator " at this point " can have anything to do wit this would be if something is jammed between the back plate of the variator and the engine case or oil seal area. This would still not be a variator issue. |
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 7, 2016 20:59:25 GMT -5
Didn't he say he already tried it without the belt and it did the same thing ?
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:57:01 GMT -5
Yep. Just watched again and clutch pulley definately spins. If it were me I'd take the belt off - I'd start systematically taking a lot of stuff off, one at a time, until the problem was isolated. As for valves being 180 degrees off. Say you line up the flywheel correctly, and the piston really IS at TDC. Then you set the chain with the 2 small holes lined up properly ... but with the big hole down instead of up. 180 degrees off. I get it , but it would be noticeable if checked twice . |
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:55:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I got all excited when you said the belt was high/low - then realized unless the rear gears were frozen this would do nothing to the engine. Either way, I suggested he remove the belt a while back just because it's so easy to do - and eliminates any possibility like you were suggesting. If, then, then engine spun freely the proof of a CVT issue would be 100% We need Murky to respond a little more timely, also. Waited all weekend just to see if touching a jumper to the starter would solve the problem - a 5 minute check. We can get this narrowed down ... but quicker response is really needed. Yep, . I wasn't taking credit for.mentioning the belt , just letting him know it was mentioned, lol. |
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:54:16 GMT -5
This is kinda strange , but like I said he def needs to check the starter clutch. It sounds off , but I had the same issue and it was the starter clutch . some of the rollers were shot and it only had so many grabing the crank shaft to spin it. Mynstarter clutch was slipping then seizing, due to the loss of power after the initial slip.
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:47:46 GMT -5
If you look close it does look as if the pulley is spinning. If it wasn't , it would be a multiple CVT failure . if it was the pulley bearings , the pulley would be stuck to the drive shaft and the rear wheel would start to spin . if the pulley was not moving at all , first the pulley bearings would have to be shot and one or more of the inner tranny bearings would have to be shot causing the pulley and the drive shaft to be stationary . in this case I can see the pulley spin , you can see the glare at the edge of the pulley and it is def spinning.
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:41:25 GMT -5
Actually imnnot so sure the scoot would have died unless it died at idle , so not so sure about that. I'd do the electrical skipage and see how that goes , then if he wants to try it without the belt he can . then of its the same , I'd look at the starter clutch . Here it is |
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:32:59 GMT -5
He can try without the belt , we did recommend this already , not sure if he did. But its not the belt riding higher or lower causing the issue . the clutch never engages so the variator and clutch pulley is still spinning freely . if the clutch pulley bearings where bad , you would hear it plus you would see.the rear tire try to spin as the bearings try to spin the rear drive axle.
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:28:16 GMT -5
Check out the video on page 13 . it does seem to a little riding low in the clutch but not much off from what mine was. This is caused by either too small of a belt or a variator with a big dead spot at the center " like the junk Koso's being sold . the drive face will also add to that depending on the one you buy .
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:24:12 GMT -5
I'd like to see a better video of that area to see how far down and how far up the belt is stuck . my setup was like this with my junk koso . the belt road high in the variator which in turn pulled the belt down in the clutch . it may not be as bad as it looks . we need a better vid.
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:22:09 GMT -5
Actually it is on the center stand. The belt being stuck high in the variator means nothing in this case . because the variator and clutch will still spin freely unless the ratio of the belt being high in the variator and low in the clutch causes the clutch pads to engage, but u can see the rear wheel doesn't even budge.
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:19:02 GMT -5
WOW 16 pages!! I say his problem is his Variator is stuck in the closed position. Look at his VIDEO in the 1st or 2nd page of this 16 page nonsense. Nobody noticed in his Video even just sitting there his belt is HIGH in the Variator and DOWN in the clutch pulley. The motor cannot take such a load and will stop on any little pressue which it does on his compression stroke. So to verify take the belt off and see if it will spin up. themechanic That's possible , the reason it would stop the spin would be because the clutch pads may be engaging stopping the crank from spinning. He can also put the scoot up on the center stand and it should work . |
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:13:53 GMT -5
If that's the case he would have had to set the valves with the piston at bottom of the cylinder and the marks on the flywheel would no have been lined up right .
Its hard for me to understand how someone can mess this up as long as the flywheel and the cam holes are lined up correctly. I mean it really doesn't matter when u set the valves as long as the flywheel and cam holes are correct . the only way it would matter was if the plug only fired every other rotation , but these scoots plugs fire every single rotation so you can set the valves on any full stroke . or should I say at any tdc hit
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:04:40 GMT -5
You see what I mean , lol . I get confused . so u think he set the valves 180 off .
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 4, 2016 22:01:37 GMT -5
I agree there may still be a top end issue . my main point is that " at this point " considering he check and said its all correct " even if it isn't " It is at the point where we are stuck , so check the starter clutch and if that is not the issue then that may just be enough to convince him to rerecheck the top end . we have to remember that his scoot was doing the exact same thing before he touched it. Are the cam bearings shot ? Possible , but again I'd think you would hear it and the cam bearings "if that bad "it would be easy to check . if I never had the starter clutch go bad , I would not even think to check it either , so I cannot blame anyone if they think its not worth checking.
What else may it be ? If it is a top end issue , I would say a head issue " including cam "
When u set the scoot " in time " , the flywheel mark is set so the piston is at tdc and the cam is set with the holes in the proper position. I don't understand how it can be 180 degrees off if you do this. I get confused easy when I set here and go over these things in my head , but the piston is always at tdc every time the flywheel says it is right ? So if you install the came correctly it cannot be 180 off right ? When I say correctly I mean with the holes properly lined up with the head .
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