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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 25, 2015 0:01:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I like Wolfenstein. That was a series I didn't play much of for some reason... I enjoyed it, just never playe dit much for some reason... Samething with Far Cry... I have all 4 Far Cry's but only played part 2 ...  |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 23:28:28 GMT -5
dmartin95 Something I just thought of, would I have this issue if I had installed the starter solenoid backwards, so basically putting it on the scooter with the wires to harness going in wrong direction so effectively hooking the cables from battery and to starter on opposite poles? I know it's kind of a pain, but pictures help a million..... You should not be able to plug the starter relay (solenoid) in backwards. The plug for the relay coil has a keyway and you should only be able to plug it in one way.... As far as the Solenoid poles, they're not polarity sensitive as you should just be hooking that up with positive on both sides... One side from to relay (solenoid) pole, then the other pole out to the starter...... ---------------------------- I'm thinking the problem may be in something you did while hooking up the black wire from the R/R to the Ignition switch... The chinese wires and plugs suck and it's easy to wind up with a break in your connection. Perhaps you knock the ignition switch plug loose, or even one wire in the plug hooking up the R/R black wire....Your problem seems to indicate the switch or the plug right there is not making good connection... Here's what ya need to do... Start tracing your ignition circuit... Do you have a multi-meter? If not, I strongly advise acquiring one... What is your exact scooter model? I want to see if I have a diagram... Then I'll be able to walk you through your entire starting circuit... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:36:00 GMT -5
So just tap into the black on the ignition and run it to the regulator black which is currently empty. Yes, Black to Black. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:32:35 GMT -5
I meant on the scoots RR harness LOL... You had me thinking you were losing it.... I'll look at your R/R... BRB.... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:29:00 GMT -5
This is the harness coming from the ignition.  LOL... You say you don't have a black wire on your ignition then proceed to produce a pic of a black wire on your ignition... What's up with that? LOL Just tap into that black wire. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
As I understand it, the R/R has built in circuitry that will regulate the load AT THE REGULATOR... The black wire ties into accessory load on your ACC circuit of your ignition and detects the external load, then the R/R uses intelligent circuitry to balance the two.... So, If you don't hook it up, the only possible trouble will come from if you're pulling a big load that changes the voltage of the load on your ACC circuit and at the R/R... If the difference becomes too great, the R/R will be over or under charging your circuit. Remember,with DC, voltage drop occurs quick, even quicker when your using super thin chinese wire.... If you're going on 3 years and haven't experienced a problem, I'd say your good to go... A lot of scooters don't have the black wire on their R/R. Your scooter, if it doesn't have a black wire on your ignition, still has an ACC wire. Just a different color. OK , my scoot came with a 4 pole stator " yes a small 4 pole " . my new engine came with a 6 pole . I've noticed my headlights are still very week , nothing changed when I installed the new engine. When my scoot idles my headlights are barely visible. Could this be a result of not having the black wire hooked up ? And I'm lucky to have a battery last more than 1 year . I never thought it may be because of the RR wiring. Could there be too much voltage to the battery and not enough to the lights ? have you done any upgrades to your lights? Higher wattage? HID (Xenon) have you done other electrical upgrade? Your lights dimming at idle indicates you're drawing more power than your scoot produces at said RPM... it could be because of your wiring, if you're using all your stock electrical items. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:08:51 GMT -5
Battery connections are good, battery is good have 12v to the starter. Everything else is hooked up exactly as it came off with the exception of the r/r. The stator is hooked up to the harness using the same wires and colors as the old one. Will look into more after work tomorrow. Allright... Have a good night... But remember what I said for tomorrow, for troble shooting, It's perfectly fine to un hook the R/R from the harness and try to start it. That will completely eliminate it being the cause of the scoot not starting (or reveal itself as the problem ). |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:05:14 GMT -5
Whoa.... STOP.... The 5 pin r/r that came with your stator is the one you want use. The pink is the same as the white, not an accessory wire. I have not pulled the flywheel on one of these to see what kind of stator it is, it may be a floating ground( two phase), full wave stator. Or, it may be single phase, half wave... Most of the 4 PIN R/R's are only half wave.... There are some 4 pin R/R's that are full wave, the R/R will have fins on the top and side.... The pin out on your new R/R is as follows. Yellow A/C stator input (Line 1) Pink A/C stator input (Line 2) Green - Ground (Ground to frame, not battery) Red - 12 volt + DC out to battery (battery charge circuit) Black - (12 volt sense) (You hook the black wire to your ignition accessory circuit - This is not a charge wire or a power source: The function of this detects the charge and adjust the accoudingly) Hey dmartin , if you read my posts , what will happen if the black wire on my regulator is not hooked up ? Its been like this for over 3 years and haven't noticed anything. I don't have a black wire on my harness . As I understand it, the R/R has built in circuitry that will regulate the load AT THE REGULATOR... The black wire ties into accessory load on your ACC circuit of your ignition and detects the external load, then the R/R uses intelligent circuitry to balance the two.... So, If you don't hook it up, the only possible trouble will come from if you're pulling a big load that changes the voltage of the load on your ACC circuit and at the R/R... If the difference becomes too great, the R/R will be over or under charging your circuit. Remember,with DC, voltage drop occurs quick, even quicker when your using super thin chinese wire.... If you're going on 3 years and haven't experienced a problem, I'd say your good to go... A lot of scooters don't have the black wire on their R/R. Your scooter, if it doesn't have a black wire on your ignition, still has an ACC wire. Just a different color. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 21:53:40 GMT -5
dmartin95 So hooked up the wires in the way that you said, hooked up battery turned on key, pulled in break lever light came on, hit starter button and nothing no click nothing, battery is at 12.3 amps while sitting and drops just a little when I pull the break lever. If you hooked it up the way I said, It's hooked up correctly. There is no need to start second guess the wiring instructions I gave you. This is stuff that I've already done numerous times and have studied more scooter diagrams that I can list... You need to check power to your starter, check your fuse, check your battery connections.....Etc etc... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 21:50:11 GMT -5
I'm tempted to hook the 4pin back on and see what it does, the wires coming off the stator are the exact same color as the ones from the old motor. Waiting to hear back from dmartin, and for tomorrow its getting dark and I'm tired of messing with it already for the night lol.  I'm not understanding this last post.... You did hook the the stator up to the original harness didn't you? _ First, take note, You can unplug your R/R altogether and start your scooter. If your getting "nothing", the problem isn't in the Stator R/R wiring.... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 20:56:44 GMT -5
Awesome!
Good luck and keep us posted!
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 20:43:58 GMT -5
So looks like I need to cut the wires and wire in the 5pin then. Will I be able to just cut the old plug off put connectors from the correct wire and plug into the 5pin and then just run a black wire to my ignition, and is there a specific wire I should attach to at the ignition? If you want to wait a few days, I can make you an adapter harness (for free) so you can just plug everything together. But if you have that itch, splicing, soldering or butt connectors will work. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 20:40:31 GMT -5
dmartin95 Is there any way dmartin95 that you would be able to tell me witch wire goes from old to new, old are red, yellow, white and green ignition wires are red, black/whi stripe, black and green. new are black, red, yellow, pink and green Yes; (All these are stator-R/R hook-ups)Yellow to Yellow White to Pink Green to green but try and ground that circuit to the frame as close to the connection as possible. Also, make your ground as short as possible. Red to Red In your ignition switch - Black to the black wire on the new R/R |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 20:24:27 GMT -5
Man dewd you are into the scooter thing for sure..is it your only hobby?  No, It's not even my MAIN hobby..... My main Hobby is Gaming on the PC... Mass Effect, Half Life, Call of Duty, Crysis, ... Really, any FPS with a good story campaign. I like multiplayer some, but I more like playing the stories. Then Scooters as my second favorite........ My other Hobby and third favorite is Building models... I'm a big kid and never grew up....  I love my toys..... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 20:19:23 GMT -5
I figured dmartin would chime in and be the guy for this,,he is a pro on RR and stators,,I just checked my service manual and all I found was a 4 pin pinnout. Yeah and KieKara is (as Dennis Rodman would say) - "Doing me a solid", so I'm more than happy to lend a hand and make sure he get's it hooked up right. Sometimes I get my terminology screwed up because I don't work with it on an everyday basis, but I have a solid electrical engineering background and know how almost all the wires go together. I'm also familiar with Chinese scooter wire color code. I really, Really need to get my Stator video done... I'm doing a video explaining all the different GY6, 125/150cc stators. I have every stator, 6, 8, 11, 12 and 18 pole stators and every R/R from 4 to 7 pin... I'm going to do a video showing how they all work and ultimately will do one testing the power output of all with their paired R/R, and mixing matching.......... |
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