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Post by frost on Jul 13, 2015 19:47:06 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I recently purchased a 2014 taotao 150. I was told it just needed a petcock. It does great on flat land. Starts up fine,has decent power while driving. As soon as I stop at a stop sign etc.it takes forever to get back up to speed.If I hit a hill,it's like it doesn't even want to try to climb it. I have to literally get off and push it. Lol I really don't know much about this one. My 49cc was much easier to work on and such. Can anyone give me some pointers to try? I would greatly appriciate any and all help I could get.
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Post by JoeyBee on Jul 13, 2015 19:54:53 GMT -5
First... Welcome to the forum frost.
How you describe your problem, it sounds like the CVT needs to be tuned. The acceleration problem would be solved by changing the weight of the rollers in your variator. Do you know the weight you have now? Typically 150cc scoots needs 12 or 13 gram rollers. And where do your RPMs top out at. It should top out around 6500-7000 RPMs.
Once you have your variator dialed in, and you still have problems with hills. The next step would be changing the contra spring. But I would recommend dialing in the variator first.
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Post by frost on Jul 13, 2015 19:59:40 GMT -5
Ok,I'll check that and get back to you. Thank you a lot
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 13, 2015 20:06:08 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I recently purchased a 2014 taotao 150. I was told it just needed a petcock. It does great on flat land. Starts up fine,has decent power while driving. As soon as I stop at a stop sign etc.it takes forever to get back up to speed.If I hit a hill,it's like it doesn't even want to try to climb it. I have to literally get off and push it. Lol I really don't know much about this one. My 49cc was much easier to work on and such. Can anyone give me some pointers to try? I would greatly appriciate any and all help I could get. Are you getting any hesitation or bogging ? If no bogging or hesitating its more than likely a CVT issue , however its not always that simple.these scoots sometimes will throw you a few curve balls , lol. The CVT is made up of the drive belt , variator and clutch assembly. the CVT cover is on the left side of the scoot. To check the CVT you will need to remove the cover, remove the variator and the clutch . you will need an impact wrench to remove the variator and the clutch. You will need a 17mm socket also. After doing this , we would like it if you can post some Picts of the CVT , before you remove everything and after. Pics of the belt , roller weights" inside the variator" , clutch pads, variator and clutch pulley faces. This way we can give you some pointers on what the problem may be. What top speed are you running right now. You will come to find that the speedo may be pretty inaccurate.
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 13, 2015 20:10:12 GMT -5
Sorry bud , I just saw you worked on your 50cc , so you prob know what the CVT is , lol
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 13, 2015 21:14:52 GMT -5
Do a compression test, for hills and takeoff the CVT can only take advantage of the power available. Tuning the CVT will help, but it may mask other problems.
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Post by JoeyBee on Jul 13, 2015 21:26:19 GMT -5
JerryScript. I could not agree more, the problem could be more than just CVT tuning. OP needs to take a systematic approach at solving the problem instead of merely treating the symptoms.
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 13, 2015 22:12:08 GMT -5
Yep , that's sorta what I was getting at ,lol. This could be a few different things. I'm still sorta stuck on the CVT, since it seems to have good power after pickup. I would like to know how much the rider weighs , and how many miles on her. The valves could need adjusted , and the CVT may have a junk stock worn out belt with heavy stock rollers. Id like to hear a little more about the scoot . as in the mileage, rpm levels at takeoff and top end. Also dose it bog or hesitate at any point. A compression test is always good and also a good place to start. The main thing that stands out that may point to compression is the lack of power when hitting hills. This may sound dumb , but how do your rear brakes feel . it would be funny if the rear drum brakes where too tight and rubbing , lol. More then likely not. It would be pretty darn noticeable . the rear brake lever would be very stiff.
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 13, 2015 22:29:01 GMT -5
I just think it's the easiest to rule out. It's simple to remove the plug and insert the tester, allowing you to quickly determine if compression is an issue. Tuning the CVT is one of the best things you can do to get your scooter to ride the way you like, but it is time consuming, and has to be done on a properly working engine. Since this scooter appears to be tuned well enough to perform at speed, and starts fine, slight loss of compression is a possibility easily tested.
Note- Most auto parts stores have compression testers you can use borrow/rent. Many will do it for you in the parking lot, if there is easy access to the plug on your scooter's body style.
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Post by frost on Jul 18, 2015 15:33:56 GMT -5
Sorry,haven't really had a chance to work on her. Been working crazy hours lately. But no,it doesn't hesitate or bog down any. She'll run about 50 on flat land with no problem. I only weigh about 140. The bolts on the covers on both sides looked stripped,so I'll have to work on getting them out first thing. And also,is there somewhere I can download a manual or something. I don't think the previous owner has the hoses in the right spots from the carb. One hose bib has nothing on it at all. Also,how do I check the valves? Thank you everyone for all the help and taking time out your day.
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 19, 2015 7:52:33 GMT -5
A/F adjustment or jetting will also decrease power. If your running stock set up that might be the problem.
John
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Post by geh3333 on Jul 19, 2015 22:59:46 GMT -5
A/F adjustment or jetting will also decrease power. If your running stock set up that might be the problem. John I would usually expect to have some sort of bogging or hesitation if it were an air fuel issue. But its still good to check. I'm still stuck on it being a CVT issue . its also a good idea to check the valves. Just let us know when you are ready and we will walk you through it.
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 22, 2015 5:01:02 GMT -5
A/F adjustment or jetting will also decrease power. If your running stock set up that might be the problem. John I would usually expect to have some sort of bogging or hesitation if it were an air fuel issue. But its still good to check. I'm still stuck on it being a CVT issue . its also a good idea to check the valves. Just let us know when you are ready and we will walk you through it. opening up the cvt and doing maintenance will not hurt. John
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Post by frost on Aug 2, 2015 18:05:38 GMT -5
Ok,just an update. I fiddled with it a bit,replaced a couple air suction hoses,new petcock,cleaned the carb real good. It rides great,had it up to about 60mph today....But...it has problems taking off. Not actually going UP the hills. But once I get her going,it's an amazing ride,until a red light or stop sign...It doesn't have an air/fuel adjustment on the carb. So I am still concidering new belt and roller weights?? Maybe??
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Post by horace on Aug 2, 2015 20:39:26 GMT -5
Let's say the compression test is fine------ Theories Anyone? Indeed carbs have an adjustment screw.... Some are inaccessible without a bit of work though. (silly greenhouse rules) . Seems like a typical case of not enough umph on the starting line....... and now we are back to CVT tuning..... Others will walk you through but, remember it's all about balance between top speed and take off...... Know what you want the scoot to do. Then make it do exactly that. Good Luck and be safe!!!!!!
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