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Post by hank on May 16, 2013 13:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by ridecheap on May 16, 2013 16:25:11 GMT -5
I like what I see with Cleveland Cyclewerks but they do quote "We do not completely assemble our bikes in the USA. We leverage Chinese cost advantage to complete our bikes and keep them extremely affordable. We do however support over 50 families in the USA with Jobs." So what am I really getting USA made? You have to wonder. I am still on the fence. You buy Clevelands from a dealer that price is an out the door price... Wisconsin Dealers: Scrambler Cycle 2420 12 3/4 Ave. Cameron, WI 54822 715 458-0894 LMS Distributing 515 Main St. Kewakee, WI 54216 920 660-7541 Moto-Scoot 1652 N. Water St. Milwaukee, WI 53202 414 272-6680 |
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Post by ridecheap on May 16, 2013 16:27:23 GMT -5
hmm all I am finding on the site is mostly kits for bikes. No prices listed. Thanks otherwise hank looks good. |
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Post by prodigit on May 16, 2013 16:42:04 GMT -5
They always put the best MPH on them that is what gets the sales, so when they say 60mph + or-5 that thing is a DOG for a 250 out of the crate its a pig. Sure you can make them go faster but for a chopper it should haul out of the crate. It is just for looks and putt putting around looking cool, but you got to wear a bandanna otherwise you will look like a wuzz  Alleyoop Not always true, They post generic speeds on those websites. Best example would be the TaoTao ATM50, rated at 35MPH. I can do 50+ with it, almost completely stock, on a good day. On a bad day it's still doing 43 (with flat tire, and wind against me). The BMS TBX260, originally got a 75MPH rating. As soon as I mentioned I could do 83MPH on a forum, they updated their numbers to  on the website. Also their MPG numbers show 65, but I got 82 out of it best case. Most of the time I was in the upper seventies, or lower eighties with that bike. It's been mentioned before you can do 70mph with that bike. I don't know if that's stock or with sprocket change, but the 250 engine should be able to get the bike to 85MPH, as there are no CVT losses there, and the bike is very low above the ground (less wind drag), unlike most other 250s (like the roketa's etc). |
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Post by prodigit on May 16, 2013 16:48:26 GMT -5
Ow, also, the bike is kid sized, so extremely small!
It's not a full sized bike!
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Post by ridecheap on May 16, 2013 16:51:47 GMT -5
Ow, also, the bike is kid sized, so extremely small! It's not a full sized bike! Its a mini chopper but not kids sized. Heres a 200cc Chinese mini chopper same size different model hint the exhaust and frame. |
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Post by jeffery5568 on May 16, 2013 20:13:51 GMT -5
I like it if I was wanting a motorcycle I would buy one.
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Post by JR on May 16, 2013 20:25:22 GMT -5
it is long, but it is also very small, just stretched way out with the long forks
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Post by scootnwinn on May 16, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5
it is long, but it is also very small, just stretched way out with the long forks Good point. Do I see potholes and bent forks in your future? |
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Post by JR on May 16, 2013 20:40:04 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with small displacement motorcycles, one of my all time favorite I had when I was younger was a Honda 160 scrambler, it was great. Its frame was bigger than that chopper frame is I am sure.
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Post by prodigit on May 17, 2013 3:23:56 GMT -5
Ow, also, the bike is kid sized, so extremely small! It's not a full sized bike! Its a mini chopper but not kids sized. Heres a 200cc Chinese mini chopper same size different model hint the exhaust and frame. I know it's size, however you can easily put a 7 - 14 year old kid on it, and it'll be able to ride it like an adult rides a cruiser... And as you can see from the vid, that bike has some acceleration power! Nothing I'd need, but it does shoot forward very quickly. Personally I'd be happy with a 100-125cc engine if it has gears. That's why I went with this motorcycle: www.superiorpowersports.com/127cc_motorcycle_p/rk127mc-05.htm |
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Post by jeffery5568 on May 17, 2013 9:04:51 GMT -5
I really like that hows it perform?
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Post by spandi on May 17, 2013 10:37:24 GMT -5
I like what I see with Cleveland Cyclewerks but they do quote "We do not completely assemble our bikes in the USA. We leverage Chinese cost advantage to complete our bikes and keep them extremely affordable. We do however support over 50 families in the USA with Jobs." So what am I really getting USA made? You have to wonder. I am still on the fence. You buy Clevelands from a dealer that price is an out the door price... Wisconsin Dealers: Scrambler Cycle 2420 12 3/4 Ave. Cameron, WI 54822 715 458-0894 LMS Distributing 515 Main St. Kewakee, WI 54216 920 660-7541 Moto-Scoot 1652 N. Water St. Milwaukee, WI 53202 414 272-6680 If I remember correctly the founder of Cleveland Cyclewerks tried to have his bikes made here, but ran into so much resistance from subcontractors he took his designs and ideas to the Chinese who were more cooperative and willing to do the work. (He says he still would like to open his own plant in the U.S.) |
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Post by oldchopperguy on May 17, 2013 21:09:56 GMT -5
Just checked out the Cleveland bobber...
Very sweet! What I'll never understand though, is just why nobody is building these with a V-twin. Yeah, I know the Hardknock Kikker was supposed to be available with the Yamaha V-twin 250, or the Lifan clone, but I've yet to see one. Lots and lots of complaints concerning availability and customer service with these, but with no personal experience, I certainly can't say one way or the other. At any rate, the Cleveland bobbers seem to capture the same "Harleyesque" charm as the Kikker.
These styles are much more like what I'd call a "chopper", while the Renegade/Scorpion style is an "exotic custom". The Cleveland is more like what I'd envision as a "daily-driver" and the Renegade is more like a "Sunday-Showoff"... Just me. But doggone... They all should be available with a V-twin engine, and the more it looked like the new Indian twin that LOOKS like, but isn't a flathead, the better!
The $2-grand budget really limits choices. And I FULLY understand! After all, when I got my scoot, I was on a $1-grand budget!!! It's pretty much a choice of: 1. Buy the Renegade and mod it to suit your needs, or... 2. Get a Hardknock Kikker in kit form and go through the of trying to get it titled and licensed, or, 3. Get a beater used Honda 250, Yamaha 650 or something similar, and get out the choppin' tools!
For the most "bang for the buck" I think my choice would be to get the Renegade (or a USED version, often available for $1,000 or so from buyers who lost interest) and mod the few items I didn't like, as the rear fender and top-gearing.
After all, even on a new one, half the fun (and pride of ownership) is in the customization!
Whatever you go with, enjoy...
And RIDE SAFE!
Leo in Texas
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Post by prodigit on May 18, 2013 0:33:19 GMT -5
The V-twins, though having more power, are less fuel efficient.
And the chinese are all about fuel efficiency, and affordability.
Vtwins need 2 cylinders, 2 carburetors (most of the time), 2 spark plugs, adjusted CDI for 2 spark plugs, and that all costs a lot more money.
On the other hand, if they would bring out a twin cylinder, though not the most visually pleasing, a parallel twin cylinder engine block would be better.
No counter weight, smaller, lighter weight, and simpler engine, better overall performance than a V-twin, and usually revs higher too; and a parallel engine (straight-twin engine), could run with a single carburetor i heard.
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