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Post by JerryScript on Jun 29, 2016 16:57:24 GMT -5
A motorcyclist is crediting the motorcycle jacket he purchased just one hour before this accident with saving him from significant injury. More proof that ATGATT saves you!
Note- I'll move this to the safety subforum after people get a chance to see this here (more traffic in this subforum). BTW- ATGATT = All The Gear All The Time!
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jun 29, 2016 19:13:06 GMT -5
Ouch! You reckon a good dual sport would have been able to bunny-hop the foam?
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Post by cyborg55 on Jun 29, 2016 19:50:11 GMT -5
A distinct possibility ,,,depends on how good of a rider you are,,,,he actually almost had it but the wobble tossed him off, I think he panicked which is hard not to do in that kind of situation
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 29, 2016 21:21:06 GMT -5
I think it was the orientation that made him lose it. If he had been able to hit it square on, he may have made it. The angle, and inability to know it ahead of time made it almost an impossible situation.
He had a 50/50 chance of swerving in the right direction and missing it entirely, unfortunately he guessed wrong. And that is why ATGATT
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Post by rockynv on Jun 30, 2016 12:19:53 GMT -5
Too bad he was wearing shorts if I remember correctly.
Here MSF training includes riding over obstacles. The instructors in the class I took used 2X4, 4X4 lumber and fence posts to train us how to ride over obstacles we could not avoid. Despite the illusion the foam compacted down to a relatively small obstacle that should have been fairly easy to ride over if the rider had sufficient training through the MSF. Makes me glad its mandatory in Florida and that the trainers were so adamant about accident avoidance and riding over obstacles in the roadway.
After I took my class I had a truck drop a load of 6X6 cut offs in front of me which I had to ride out standing on the floorboards of my scooter. Fortunate I did not damage a rim or blow a tire.
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Post by Paladin on Jun 30, 2016 19:41:30 GMT -5
He was following too close.
When the foam fell it bounced right, and he aimed right. If he had dodged left he would have avoided the foam.
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 1, 2016 6:33:10 GMT -5
 I didn't get a chance to see the video. And I can't find where you've moved it to. I checked the safety section but it doesn't seem to be there? Please bring it back for us laggards who didn't get to it yest. Thanks! >'Kat
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Post by rockynv on Jul 1, 2016 11:50:18 GMT -5
I didn't get a chance to see the video. And I can't find where you've moved it to. I checked the safety section but it doesn't seem to be there? Please bring it back for us laggards who didn't get to it yest. Thanks! >'Kat It appears that the YouTube user removed it. |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 1, 2016 18:45:20 GMT -5
"He was following too close."
There are few situations that can't be improved with a little more following distance.
Dirt bike experience could help too.
That being said, the boat owner can expect to be served with a lawsuit soon.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 1, 2016 18:49:35 GMT -5
"I didn't get a chance to see the video. And I can't find where you've moved it to."
Early bird gets the worm, 'Kat.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 1, 2016 20:16:25 GMT -5
Too bad he was wearing shorts if I remember correctly. Here MSF training includes riding over obstacles. The instructors in the class I took used 2X4, 4X4 lumber and fence posts to train us how to ride over obstacles we could not avoid. Despite the illusion the foam compacted down to a relatively small obstacle that should have been fairly easy to ride over if the rider had sufficient training through the MSF. Makes me glad its mandatory in Florida and that the trainers were so adamant about accident avoidance and riding over obstacles in the roadway. After I took my class I had a truck drop a load of 6X6 cut offs in front of me which I had to ride out standing on the floorboards of my scooter. Fortunate I did not damage a rim or blow a tire. I took the class...barely anything was said about riding over obstacles, and there was zero practical instruction about it. I don't think I could actually do that...I really can't stand on my floorboards, and I suspect that hitting a 4x4 would blow my front tire and probably bend the forks. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 2, 2016 6:29:45 GMT -5
Both my beginner's and advanced classes covered it. They tossed a couple 2x4s in the path and off we went. Beginner's, I even had to do it driving a Rebel (had to use the class-provided bikes so everyone's was the same).
That, and emergency swerve'n'stops, are 2-things from class I hope to never do real-life. And U-turns.
>'Kat, preferring pizza to worms anyways....
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 2, 2016 6:42:03 GMT -5
So, I googled and found it. Late 'Kat can still get the pizza, ha.
I agree, more following distance would've allowed the driver to see the roll was going right, so he could go left and avoid it.
What ticks me is the black car on the right who had to've witnessed it plus braked 'cause the bike was coming in his lane never stopped. Neither did the white car after him who had to avoid the bike.
Guy was tres lucky. And boat owner was stupid for not making sure everything was secure. But innocent of not stopping as he probably had zero idea anything happened.
I was following a guy with a golf cart behind, with something flapping from it. Suddenly blew off and flew across to the shoulder. I was far enough back there was no danger. I flashed my lights then sped up to go alongside and honked. When he looked at me I pointed at the cart then flapped my hand like the thing that had blown off. He looked surprised then nodded and immediately slowed and went to the shoulder. I think he didn't know anything had happened back there.
>'Kat
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Post by rockynv on Jul 2, 2016 8:18:41 GMT -5
Too bad he was wearing shorts if I remember correctly. Here MSF training includes riding over obstacles. The instructors in the class I took used 2X4, 4X4 lumber and fence posts to train us how to ride over obstacles we could not avoid. Despite the illusion the foam compacted down to a relatively small obstacle that should have been fairly easy to ride over if the rider had sufficient training through the MSF. Makes me glad its mandatory in Florida and that the trainers were so adamant about accident avoidance and riding over obstacles in the roadway. After I took my class I had a truck drop a load of 6X6 cut offs in front of me which I had to ride out standing on the floorboards of my scooter. Fortunate I did not damage a rim or blow a tire. I took the class...barely anything was said about riding over obstacles, and there was zero practical instruction about it. I don't think I could actually do that...I really can't stand on my floorboards, and I suspect that hitting a 4x4 would blow my front tire and probably bend the forks. Here since its a licensing requirement the curriculum is per the State DMV and accident avoidance is a major part of the course however I was under the impression that the accident avoidance training was required Nationally along with staying out of the Dead Zone which the rider in the video found out the hard way why they call it the Dead Zone. On the street while riding home from work I rode over a number of 4X4 and 6X6 random lengths on 120/70-15 in the front and 190/80-15 in the rear at about 40 mph with no tire or rim damage however I was on the floorboards and rolling the throttle up to lighten the load on the front as we were drilled for hours on end. The Sport City 250 handled the event similar to the Honda Rebel and Suzuki 250's provided by MSF. If you stay seated and don't give it throttle then yes the load on the front tire and forks can do a lot of damage when hitting debris in the roadway. Let the National MSF know that accident avoidance and obstacle training was omitted by the vendor who provided your course. They may take action to correct that and give you a free retake of the Basic Riders course. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 3, 2016 18:09:53 GMT -5
Accident avoidance was covered, classroom and on the range, as was crossing obstacles...but there was no obstacle-jumping on the range. I have no interest in retaking the BRC.
Compared to your Sport City, I have equal or smaller tires and more weight...and, again, I cannot really stand on the floorboards.
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