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smoke issue
by: foxrider603 - Oct 4, 2015 22:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 4, 2015 22:20:12 GMT -5
Not sure yet haven't gotten around to take it out, just figured since I'm starting to dump money into it might as well order the air filter lol. Can't complain I'm only up to around 38 bucks including the price of the scooter itself
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Post by pistonguy on Oct 5, 2015 7:37:13 GMT -5
Possibly gas in the oil is the other alternative. The evap system was never a problem on my Lance and the purge tube with the vent works just fine and does what its suppose to if you drain it at every oil change like your supposed to and keep the valves adjusted. Many people can fill up their purge tube by simply refusing to let the engine warm up sufficiently before leaning in the throttle. A GY6 when the engine is cold can blow a ton of oil out if you take off when the engine is cold and lay on the throttle. Anyways a two year old bike should not have been ridden at all until after the engine and gear oil was changed along with the brakes flushed. If she just dumped it and stopped riding two years ago without preparing it for long term storage then you have to do all the prep involved with taking a bike out of storage along with take measures to deal with the improper maintenance the bike has potentially received. It sounds like the bike has been sitting without the break in oil change having been done so that along with the flushes needs to be done. Hopefully the oil ring on the piston has not been broken from riding it overfilled.   Nah, Not going to break a Oil Ring. There Stainless Railes/Scrapers with the Stainless Expander I can Twist into a Pretzell all day. Insane cylinder pressures won't break one. There are also Oil Drain Back/ Scavenging holes just below to aid in scavenging.    Theres some Cylinder Pressure blowing the center out of a spark plug. Thats only bout 1,250 hp per cyl. Nothing personal just helping with the misinformation. |
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Post by pistonguy on Oct 5, 2015 7:43:59 GMT -5
Possibly gas in the oil is the other alternative. The evap system was never a problem on my Lance and the purge tube with the vent works just fine and does what its suppose to if you drain it at every oil change like your supposed to and keep the valves adjusted. Many people can fill up their purge tube by simply refusing to let the engine warm up sufficiently before leaning in the throttle. A GY6 when the engine is cold can blow a ton of oil out if you take off when the engine is cold and lay on the throttle. Anyways a two year old bike should not have been ridden at all until after the engine and gear oil was changed along with the brakes flushed. If she just dumped it and stopped riding two years ago without preparing it for long term storage then you have to do all the prep involved with taking a bike out of storage along with take measures to deal with the improper maintenance the bike has potentially received. It sounds like the bike has been sitting without the break in oil change having been done so that along with the flushes needs to be done. Hopefully the oil ring on the piston has not been broken from riding it overfilled. Nah, Not going to break a Oil Ring. There Stainless Railes/Scrapers with the Stainless Expander I can Twist into a Pretzell all day. Insane cylinder pressures won't break one. There are also Oil Drain Back/ Scavenging holes just below the Oil Ring to aid in scavenging. Theres some Cylinder Pressure blowing the center out of a spark plug. Thats only bout 1,250 hp per cyl. Nothing personal just helping with the misinformation. |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 5, 2015 12:20:55 GMT -5
What engines are you talking about? When you overfill a GY6 and it slaps the oil the bottom grove on the piston gets distorted, the ring gets deformed and sticks so it would be considered broken. Sometimes the piston itself can come apart at the pin. What one hundred fifty cc GY6 puts out one thousand two hundred fifty horse power on this planet? The block can take ten or maybe fifteen hp but at over one thousand horse power the thing would just fly apart.
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smoke issue
by: pistonguy - Oct 5, 2015 18:28:02 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Oct 5, 2015 18:28:02 GMT -5
What engines are you talking about? When you overfill a GY6 and it slaps the oil the bottom grove on the piston gets distorted, the ring gets deformed and sticks so it would be considered broken. Sometimes the piston itself can come apart at the pin. What one hundred fifty cc GY6 puts out one thousand two hundred fifty horse power on this planet? The block can take ten or maybe fifteen hp but at over one thousand horse power the thing would just fly apart. This is pure bunk and just plane silly. Pull the Pin out of the pin boss? c'mon, How? You still haven't stated the why or how. The only logical direction you could be going is a Hydraulic scenario. I provided a Extreme example of cylinder pressure on the Edge of Hydraulic and your Not going to break the parts mentioned  The Starter, even the best high torque is Not capable of Completing a Hydraulic stroke and break part and Neither is the GY-6.  All anyone is going to do, Worst Case is your going to puff out some Oil Seals. Most likely First the place is the "0" ring on the starter is going to pump. The Maybe a crank seal. I see this all the time peeps say "your going to blow it up!" what? how? |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 6, 2015 4:32:35 GMT -5
Pistonguy your the one who claimed a silly one thousand plus horsepower GY6 not me.
BTW: Maybe you thought you provided an example however I just saw some random pictures of an oil seal and a few pistons with a red arrow that supposedly had some meaning behind them but nothing with anything empirical that would go against what I've noted in about 50 years servicing small engines in various forms of commercial and private usage.
Yes most times if your fortunate you just get the oil whipped up into a foam so its no longer lubricating properly leading to scoring and wear of critical engine parts and failed seals while other times in extreme cases you get worst case scenarios with damage to the oil ring or the groove it runs in. The GY6 is not a dry sump and if overfilled to an extreme can in a turn flood the back end of the piston with oil expanding the skirt causing moderate to extreme damage. Combined with wear and foaming you can end up with a deformed piston or ring that when you go to replace the oil ring the new one will be way too tight in the groove. I have seen this a number of times which is in harmony with what was in the text books we were trained on 50 years ago and with parts so cheap one would simply replace the piston and if the cylinder is not marked up too badly just hone it along with replace the seals however if the bearings and crank got galled up from running with whipped oil full of air bubbles then you may be better off replacing the engine.
There are a lot of ifs out there and people have managed to do a crazy amount of damage related to extreme overfilling especially once the first event has occurred and they keep upping things to cope with extreme oil consumption since now they need to overfill it further since oil is being lost so fast they need to put in extra to make it from point a to point b.
More critical in the horizontal engines I mostly service in the lawn care sector since once you face the piston toward the downside of a slope you can quickly take out an overfilled engine with the volume of oil now consistently higher than the back of the piston. I usually assign a Kawasaki 2 stroke machine for use in highly sloped areas due to this.
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Post by pistonguy on Oct 6, 2015 9:47:45 GMT -5
Pistonguy your the one who claimed a silly one thousand plus horsepower GY6 not me. BTW: Maybe you thought you provided an example however I just saw some random pictures of an oil seal and a few pistons with a red arrow that supposedly had some meaning behind them but nothing with anything empirical that would go against what I've noted in about 50 years servicing small engines in various forms of commercial and private usage. Yes most times if your fortunate you just get the oil whipped up into a foam so its no longer lubricating properly leading to scoring and wear of critical engine parts and failed seals while other times in extreme cases you get worst case scenarios with damage to the oil ring or the groove it runs in. The GY6 is not a dry sump and if overfilled to an extreme can in a turn flood the back end of the piston with oil expanding the skirt causing moderate to extreme damage. Combined with wear and foaming you can end up with a deformed piston or ring that when you go to replace the oil ring the new one will be way too tight in the groove. I have seen this a number of times which is in harmony with what was in the text books we were trained on 50 years ago and with parts so cheap one would simply replace the piston and if the cylinder is not marked up too badly just hone it along with replace the seals however if the bearings and crank got galled up from running with whipped oil full of air bubbles then you may be better off replacing the engine. There are a lot of ifs out there and people have managed to do a crazy amount of damage related to extreme overfilling especially once the first event has occurred and they keep upping things to cope with extreme oil consumption since now they need to overfill it further since oil is being lost so fast they need to put in extra to make it from point a to point b. More critical in the horizontal engines I mostly service in the lawn care sector since once you face the piston toward the downside of a slope you can quickly take out an overfilled engine with the volume of oil now consistently higher than the back of the piston. I usually assign a Kawasaki 2 stroke machine for use in highly sloped areas due to this. No I Never mentioned or stated the Spark plug was from a GY-6, Its again a example of Extreme Pressures. that was 1,250hp per cal. tho Thats a pretty scenario but it Never going to happen in a GY-6, Even a High Torque starter Wont be able to Start the engine, the engine itself Wont start. The Week Link is the first to go and you'd Puff out the Starter O ring then the rest of the Oil seals and Walla the Pressure has a a place to go. With all the contradicting information on oil level we have Lots that overfill with No damage. We've seen this all summer of peeps Overfilling oil and it Puking all over, then the Peep get Bad advise that he has sufferd catastrophic damage and with No experience takes the engine apart. We haven't seen One with internal damage this season. Just a whole bunch that Needlessly took a engine apart. This GY-6 Engine/Starter is Not capable of creating pressures High enough to Distort the Piston Ring Lands. My pics weer pointing the Oil drain back holes along with some Anti,Det and Pressure Seal Grooves. We started adding some of these features on the Buick Indy pistons, sorry the detail didn't show up. Oh Kawa two smoker on slopes, cool, I prefer Looping a long rope around the handles of a Flymo. btw I try to be humble, you may not be aware, I have spent the better part of my 55 years as Field Engineering for one of the Highest end Forged piston co, in the country, the only one that does all of its Forging in house, r&d, product development, analyzing failures race support. The family of piston co. expand to four at one time so I wore all the different color shirts. Ya I'm that guy that gets Paid to go to races. |
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smoke issue
by: pistonguy - Oct 6, 2015 15:18:30 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Oct 6, 2015 15:18:30 GMT -5
ly Edited Indipendt
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smoke issue
by: pistonguy - Oct 6, 2015 15:35:39 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Oct 6, 2015 15:35:39 GMT -5
I have worked on and maintain small engines for many years and do know how the specified product does and does not work. The engines we use it in generally stay cleaner and have fewer problems with internal parts gumming up and sticking. Carbon on the combustion side of valve stems will not be cured such as in the case of that one in the picture you showed which was allowed to run to go way too long before addressing the issue. For getting a stored engine that has not been used in a while freed up the product works quite well. Joe Lencki was well known for his Indy engines and his Lenkite products were even used in the aircraft industries where engines see much tougher conditions than the typical GY6 thats gotten a little sticky and needs some help to free it up. My stuff generally runs for decades with few problems compared to that of others who scoff so I am doing some things right. Oh cool a power equipment guy, you should be very familiar wit the ex. valve pictured. K series. Those Hot running all Cast Iron work horses Me and a bud jack with some ol Maytag Two Stroke Hit and miss   As for Joes "Speedway Cocktail" Knowbody really used that outside his camp. Metallurgically wise theres Nothing in a Engine 40 years ago to present that is still used. I worked on Both the Aurora and Infinity programs as one of those Was Sponsored and Endorsed its use. But thats all for TV, The gear box/ transaxle/ CV joint engineer and several other stay at my house for there TMS events. Z-Max got slapped pretty hard by the FTC for fraudulent claims, they Heavily Edited Test Results, |
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