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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 2:57:33 GMT -5
i should be sleeping but i can't stop thinking about my scooter. fixed a small oil leak over the weekend and the first thing i noticed when i removed the valve cover was the lack of oil on the chain and rocker arms. lately i been a little concerned about all the small fragments of permatex ultra black i haven't been able to remove from my engine.
then i also thought, well, maybe the oil drained since i haven't started in a day. put everything back together, took a break then rode 3 miles to the store. when i got home my engine was extremely hot. the vent in the plastic near the valve cover was as hot as my exhaust (or near).
so now i'm concerned i ruined my engine with permatex ultra black. been researching something that will dissolve and found threads on flushing engine with diesel. now i realize it will eat away at all the seals and could risk more damage but at this point i don't think i have any other alternative. i just don't want to start a fire so i'd like to hear how you do it. thanks.
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:14:39 GMT -5
I was also concerned about the gasket maker I was using . I made the mistake and used the red high temp kind on mynvalve cover ! I found some in the oil screen ,and was concerned it is blocking some of the oil passage. If there is someway to blow compressed air to clear them up , that would be great.
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:15:38 GMT -5
My temps have also been higher then normal .
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:18:32 GMT -5
TBA , it should not have passed the oil screen , so I'm not sure what could be blocked ?
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:21:28 GMT -5
You can add seafoam to the oil , but I don't know if that will clear that up ?,probably not.
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 3:27:15 GMT -5
I was also concerned about the gasket maker I was using . I made the mistake and used the red high temp kind on mynvalve cover ! I found some in the oil screen ,and was concerned it is blocking some of the oil passage. If there is someway to blow compressed air to clear them up , that would be great. i doubt it. at this point i think it's clogging the pump too. |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:30:42 GMT -5
Sorry about all the posts , lol. But , unless you do a tear down I would not flush with diesel. Reason: the only place that the gasket maker could do damage is in the oil passage. If it did make it past the screen and into the passage then you need to get the diesel into the passage. To do that without a tear down , you would have to turn the engine over . even if you did it by hand , you would then get diesel up to the cylinder ! And that would not be good . that would dissolve all lubrication and , well it would not be good. So to to a diesel flush " sounds like a dance " " The Diesel Flush" , lol , anyway, to do the diesel flush one would have to do a top end teardown " at least ".
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:37:17 GMT -5
You can always remove the side cover and check the pump . you can also see the oil passage if you look into the oil drain area . wait I know what to try ! Drain the oil then turn the flywheel backwards and see if oil comes out from the passage. If it does the chances are its not clogged. The pump should pump backwards , I think .
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 3:37:57 GMT -5
Sorry about all the posts , lol. But , unless you do a tear down I would not flush with diesel. Reason: the only place that the gasket maker could do damage is in the oil passage. If it did make it past the screen and into the passage then you need to get the diesel into the passage. To do that without a tear down , you would have to turn the engine over . even if you did it by hand , you would then get diesel up to the cylinder ! And that would not be good . that would dissolve all lubrication and , well it would not be good. So to to a diesel flush " sounds like a dance " " The Diesel Flush" , lol , anyway, to do the diesel flush one would have to do a top end teardown " at least ". i found this video which started me on the hunt for more information. i've read a few threads and many claim they do something similar. 50/50 split, 10 minutes instead of 2 and whatnot. i haven't found any info on someone doing this in a scooter. i'm not too concerned about running the engine for a few minutes without oil but i am comcerned about the damage to the main engine crankcase gasket.  |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:44:26 GMT -5
You can always remove the side cover and check the pump . you can also see the oil passage if you look into the oil drain area . wait I know what to try ! Drain the oil then turn the flywheel backwards and see if oil comes out from the passage. If it does the chances are its not clogged. The pump should pump backwards , I think . I don't know man ,lol. That video looks kinda nuts . |
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 3:47:29 GMT -5
You can always remove the side cover and check the pump . you can also see the oil passage if you look into the oil drain area . wait I know what to try ! Drain the oil then turn the flywheel backwards and see if oil comes out from the passage. If it does the chances are its not clogged. The pump should pump backwards , I think . I don't know man ,lol. That video looks kinda nuts . lol, i agree. i was a bit dumbfounded and naturally wanted to research. i need to do something, i can't ride it for long as is. |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 3:55:18 GMT -5
I don't know man ,lol. That video looks kinda nuts . lol, i agree. i was a bit dumbfounded and naturally wanted to research. i need to do something, i can't ride it for long as is. Since you can mix seafoam with the oil , I'd try it first . im going to do it maybe 2mro. I'm also going to get a big syringe , fill it with oil , and attach a small hose to it . then I'll remove the oil screen and stick the small hose into the oil port , the I'll have someone spin the flywheel clockwise and ill push the oil into the port and see if it suck it up . if its clogged , hopeful the force of the syringe will push everything through. Its worth a try . and no tearing down. |
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Post by ramblinman on May 18, 2015 4:07:37 GMT -5
lol, i agree. i was a bit dumbfounded and naturally wanted to research. i need to do something, i can't ride it for long as is. Since you can mix seafoam with the oil , I'd try it first . im going to do it maybe 2mro. I'm also going to get a big syringe , fill it with oil , and attach a small hose to it . then I'll remove the oil screen and stick the small hose into the oil port , the I'll have someone spin the flywheel clockwise and ill push the oil into the port and see if it suck it up . if its clogged , hopeful the force of the syringe will push everything through. Its worth a try . and no tearing down. i know what i'm going to do. i'll run the engine then remove the valve cover to confirm my suspicions. if dry as expected i'll do a 50/50 diesel split for 2 minutes. drain, add oil, start for a minute then pull the cover to check chain for oil. it will be a lot of work removing the cover many times but at least i will know when the passages are cleared and won't leave the diesel in there for longer than necessary. |
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 4:12:44 GMT -5
I'm just thinking it would take a decent size piece of that stuff to clog the passage or pump . I'm not sure if it would make it past the filter screen. Anyway , let me know how it goes. I'll do the same . I better get some sleep , lol.
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Post by geh3333 on May 18, 2015 4:17:03 GMT -5
I'm just thinking it would take a decent size piece of that stuff to clog the passage or pump . I'm not sure if it would make it past the filter screen. Anyway , let me know how it goes. I'll do the same . I better get some sleep , lol. One last post , lol. Just take the valve cover off, hit the kill switch , and crank the engine . the oil will flow if the passage is not clogged . |
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