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Post by lain on Feb 25, 2015 11:23:17 GMT -5
So I can't seem to figure out what this noise is. It squeaks when I am on the road moving, but not when I wheel it around on foot. It sounds like it is coming from the front somewhere but I can't figure out where. I checked the brakes, they don't seem to be making the noise. Could one of those separator bearing things or the speedo make a squeak? Could the axle rod make a squeak? Why would it only happen on the road while I am moving and not on foot while I move it around?
-edit: Issue turned into wobbling?
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Post by JerryScript on Feb 25, 2015 16:30:54 GMT -5
If it sound like metal squeaking, only squeaks when loaded, that is usually an indication of worn bearings. I would check both the stem bolt bearing, and the front wheel bearings.
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Post by lain on Feb 28, 2015 16:32:04 GMT -5
If it sound like metal squeaking, only squeaks when loaded, that is usually an indication of worn bearings. I would check both the stem bolt bearing, and the front wheel bearings. The squeaking went away for no reason at all. lol. Maybe it was my speedo. However now at higher speeds, especially with a passenger, I feel the front kind of moving side to side like it is giving way to either side. I DID just install a windshield though, so maybe it is a new thing called wind resistance? lol Does anyone else feel like their front acts like that with a windshield? |
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Post by hillbillybob on Feb 28, 2015 16:49:49 GMT -5
I think you better do as JerryScript advised. I have a windshield on my scooter, and one on each of my BMW's....they do not cause any side to side movement.
You said: "However now at higher speeds, especially with a passenger, I feel the front kind of moving side to side"
You know something isn't 100% right up front, and you take a passenger on a higher speed ride? What's up with that?
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Post by lain on Mar 1, 2015 16:28:53 GMT -5
Nothing visually wrong with the tripletree, axle rod, bearings and the wheel. Could it be the shocks?
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Post by lain on Mar 2, 2015 15:31:35 GMT -5
So I tightened the bearing on the tripletree and the handlebars and tightened everything else I could put my wrench to... I checked the rod, and also checked to make sure when the wheel rotates it does not wobble or move up and down and it does not it is fine.
No squeaking but still wobbling while riding, and as I just went for a ride it felt like when I took a right into a parking spot it felt like it dipped down right more than it should have but then sprung back up but has kind of a springy feeling. I'm also noticing when I hit bumps now my front end bounces a lot. I feel like I'm driving a really fast hippity-hop now lol.
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Post by lain on Mar 3, 2015 9:14:51 GMT -5
Now it seems to be getting worse. Also, I just remembered that the night the problems with the front end squeaking and wobbling started I heard a loud shattering noise from my front end. I stopped immediately after hearing it and checked everything, even went back on the road looking around on foot, which was risky because it was in a rotary! There was nothing on the road that I could have ran over and nothing visually wrong with my scoot. Is it possible one of my shocks broke? I'm getting worried about this wobbling because it is getting worse and so is the bouncing around...
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Post by JoeyBee on Mar 3, 2015 13:25:37 GMT -5
Sounds like your scooter is on its last leg. I would be worried about safety with the amount of problems you have had.
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 3, 2015 13:59:34 GMT -5
Check your stem bearings, there are shims inside that can get out of place if the adjusting nuts become loose.
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Post by lain on Mar 3, 2015 14:40:59 GMT -5
Check your stem bearings, there are shims inside that can get out of place if the adjusting nuts become loose. The ring of ball bearings on my stem are fine both top and bottom. Also noticing lately that it dips when I turn right and is harder to turn left. The front dips down a lot even when just letting go of the brake going a foot then stopping. It's really hard to get an eye on my shocks though while I am on the scoot and I don't have any large mirrors to put in front of me to look at it while I am on it. I feel one or both of my front shocks are just done with, but I don't really know anything about shocks. A loose steering bearing wouldn't cause it to bounce and dip down and bounce back up on stops would it? Not that there is anything loose, I made sure everything was just right. I've replaced the entire front once before from the tripletree to the wheel. I remember it feeling sort of the same way when I had my old shocks on there a year ago and I accidentily spilled some shock fluid when I was taking the tripletree apart for the first time ever. Of course I replaced both shocks a week later because it was running all over the place and not taking bumps well. |
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 3, 2015 14:55:08 GMT -5
Check your stem bearings, there are shims inside that can get out of place if the adjusting nuts become loose. The ring of ball bearings on my stem are fine both top and bottom. Also noticing lately that it dips when I turn right and is harder to turn left. The front dips down a lot even when just letting go of the brake going a foot then stopping. It's really hard to get an eye on my shocks though while I am on the scoot and I don't have any large mirrors to put in front of me to look at it while I am on it. I feel one or both of my front shocks are just done with, but I don't really know anything about shocks. A loose steering bearing wouldn't cause it to bounce and dip down and bounce back up on stops would it? Not that there is anything loose, I made sure everything was just right. I've replaced the entire front once before from the tripletree to the wheel. I remember it feeling sort of the same way when I had my old shocks on there a year ago and I accidentily spilled some shock fluid when I was taking the tripletree apart for the first time ever. Of course I replaced both shocks a week later because it was running all over the place and not taking bumps well. What you are describing is what happens when the shims inside the bearing stem get out of place. With the front wheel of the ground, can you pull it in any direction? |
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Post by rdhood on Mar 3, 2015 16:32:25 GMT -5
Shims inside the bearing stem? Not on a bicycle and not on my scoot. My scoot has the standard bicycle stack:
lock nut
tighten nut
top race
bearings in cage
top cup (built or pressed into frame)
bottom cup (built or pressed into frame)
bottom bearings (in cage, but mine are now loose)
bottom race (on triple tree)
No shims to speak of.
If the steerer bearings were loose, then rocking back and forth with the front brake engaged would produce a "clunk" as the steerer clunked back and forth. put the bike on the ground, and push/pull the front wheel back and forth with brake engaged and see if the steerer is loose in some way. then withe the bike on the center stand, from the side, grab the front wheel with both hands, and try to twist back and forth (while someone holds the grips to keep it steady) to see if the wheel bearings are loose. There should be no play in either test.
It sounds to me like the OP is on the right track. if one of the shocks is broken, it would dive unevenly (twist) to one side or the other. That is one reason that bicycles have a "bridge" across the forks... in case the pressure in one of the forks (you pump them up) is higher than the other .. to keep them from "twisting" during braking or over bumpy ground
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Post by lain on Mar 3, 2015 16:42:02 GMT -5
The ring of ball bearings on my stem are fine both top and bottom. Also noticing lately that it dips when I turn right and is harder to turn left. The front dips down a lot even when just letting go of the brake going a foot then stopping. It's really hard to get an eye on my shocks though while I am on the scoot and I don't have any large mirrors to put in front of me to look at it while I am on it. I feel one or both of my front shocks are just done with, but I don't really know anything about shocks. A loose steering bearing wouldn't cause it to bounce and dip down and bounce back up on stops would it? Not that there is anything loose, I made sure everything was just right. I've replaced the entire front once before from the tripletree to the wheel. I remember it feeling sort of the same way when I had my old shocks on there a year ago and I accidentily spilled some shock fluid when I was taking the tripletree apart for the first time ever. Of course I replaced both shocks a week later because it was running all over the place and not taking bumps well. What you are describing is what happens when the shims inside the bearing stem get out of place. With the front wheel of the ground, can you pull it in any direction? No I cannot |
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Post by lain on Mar 4, 2015 9:00:37 GMT -5
Just went for a ride, not sure if this helps but the front end cannot be moved around off the ground, BUT when I use tthe front brake when I am going about 10-20 it makes a clicking noise, but only in this range of speed for some reason. It doesn't do it when I am sitting or going slower than 10, and it does not happen over 20, or if it does I do not hear it because of other noises... Now I know shocks don't make click noises. At this point I feel I may have missed something but I cannot figure out what. I want to be entirely sure what it is before I start ordering parts, especially if I need shocks because they are expensive. Btw JerryScript I'm not sure what you mean by shims, I also have the same setup as rdhood has. |
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 4, 2015 13:41:15 GMT -5
Some call them shims, some call the dust caps, some use both due to spacing issues (a shim is usually used to fill space). If the stem bearings come loose, sometimes these will get a bit out of place, allowing movement. If you cannot move the front wheel with it off the ground (laterally or horizontally, not spinning), then this is not your problem.
Without hearing the click, it's very hard to give an idea of what is causing it. Have you taken off the speedo puck and inspected it? Are your brake calipers solidly attached? Does your front wheel spin freely, clearing the fender and body panels?
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