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Post by Kwagga on Jul 29, 2014 9:37:46 GMT -5
So then you are telling me that you know everything and that all the cases of where motors have been damaged are lies? I mentioned above that there are many different theories, from pro's to the vocal ignorant, but I am not prepared to risk it. On most if not all modern models, BMW & Mercedes insist on synthetic, and will void a warranty if other oil is used. No offence intended, but I will rather follow their advice. Synthetic & mineral oils can be mixed with no problem. Note: almost all Fords in the last fifteen years left the FACTORY with mixed oil! (Motorcraft 5W20 IS a mineral-synthetic mix.) Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant or lying.I just don't agree with you. Claiming that people are ignorant or lying implies that only you know the truth and that everyone else that believes or experiences differently is arrogant and incorrect. Nobody out there knows everything. Do you have all the knowledge of all the different vehicle manufacturers and oil producers? I think not. Vehicle manufacturers and oil producers have different specifications for a reason. Yes - there are mixtures according to one manufacturer, but others have different specs and researched information. Many people have had a bad experience by mixing oils, so obviously there is merit in their experiences. Go ahead and follow your researched path, but don't insult people because they follow others. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 29, 2014 10:17:36 GMT -5
Synthetic & mineral oils can be mixed with no problem. Note: almost all Fords in the last fifteen years left the FACTORY with mixed oil! (Motorcraft 5W20 IS a mineral-synthetic mix.) Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant or lying.I just don't agree with you. Claiming that people are ignorant or lying implies that only you know the truth and that everyone else that believes or experiences differently is arrogant and incorrect. Nobody out there knows everything. Do you have all the knowledge of all the different vehicle manufacturers and oil producers? I think not. Vehicle manufacturers and oil producers have different specifications for a reason. Yes - there are mixtures according to one manufacturer, but others have different specs and researched information. Many people have had a bad experience by mixing oils, so obviously there is merit in their experiences. Go ahead and follow your researched path, but don't insult people because they follow others. I have hard evidence. You have...bloviation. you have exactly as much evidence as a flat-earther. Fact: mixing mineral & synthetic oil is very common and completely acceptable. Facts are stubborn things! |
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 29, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -5
I just don't agree with you. Claiming that people are ignorant or lying implies that only you know the truth and that everyone else that believes or experiences differently is arrogant and incorrect. Nobody out there knows everything. Do you have all the knowledge of all the different vehicle manufacturers and oil producers? I think not. Vehicle manufacturers and oil producers have different specifications for a reason. Yes - there are mixtures according to one manufacturer, but others have different specs and researched information. Many people have had a bad experience by mixing oils, so obviously there is merit in their experiences. Go ahead and follow your researched path, but don't insult people because they follow others. I have hard evidence. You have...bloviation. you have exactly as much evidence as a flat-earther. Fact: mixing mineral & synthetic oil is very common and completely acceptable. Facts are stubborn things! Exactly - where are your facts, mouthpiece? Did you even bother checking the links? Go and speak to BMW & Mercedes, to name a few on why they won't allow it to be mixed. Is that not proof enough for you, or are they also ignorant and lying? You rather enjoy insulting people who disagree with you, which tells me that you are not a person I am interested in responding to. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 29, 2014 11:42:59 GMT -5
I have hard evidence. You have...bloviation. you have exactly as much evidence as a flat-earther. Fact: mixing mineral & synthetic oil is very common and completely acceptable. Facts are stubborn things! Exactly - where are your facts, mouthpiece? Did you even bother checking the links? Go and speak to BMW & Mercedes, to name a few on why they won't allow it to be mixed. Is that not proof enough for you, or are they also ignorant and lying? You rather enjoy insulting people who disagree with you, which tells me that you are not a person I am interested in responding to. My facts are the ones staring you in the face: the simple fact that synthetic and mineral oils have been mixed for decades without a problem! No amount of shrieking BS to the heavens will change that simple fact. Again: tens of millions of Fords have synthetic blend as the FACTORY FILL! BMW and M-B require pure synthetic in many vehicles...so OF COURSE they warn against using a blend...just like they warn against using a mineral-base oil! |
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Post by spunn on Jul 29, 2014 13:01:04 GMT -5
Ford DOES use that mix, but its not the same thing as taking 30% Mineral Oil and 70% Motor oil and blowing them into the case.
There is a lot more science behind it.......but yes the basic is there
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 29, 2014 14:48:25 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA, the old oil saga again, that is like asking someone what beer do you drink, everyone has their favorite and their own opinions. Oils just about every brand will have a website telling you why theirs is better it is all about pushing their brand. Just buy a good known brand whichever one you like and just make sure you routinely change it whether its every 500 or 1000 miles. They only take about 3/4 of a quart so after 3 quarts you have a free oil change  Alleyoop |
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 29, 2014 15:00:31 GMT -5
Exactly - where are your facts, mouthpiece? Did you even bother checking the links? Go and speak to BMW & Mercedes, to name a few on why they won't allow it to be mixed. Is that not proof enough for you, or are they also ignorant and lying? You rather enjoy insulting people who disagree with you, which tells me that you are not a person I am interested in responding to. My facts are the ones staring you in the face: the simple fact that synthetic and mineral oils have been mixed for decades without a problem! No amount of shrieking BS to the heavens will change that simple fact. Again: tens of millions of Fords have synthetic blend as the FACTORY FILL! BMW and M-B require pure synthetic in many vehicles...so OF COURSE they warn against using a blend...just like they warn against using a mineral-base oil! Tens of millions? Really? I have been on about mineral oil and Synthetic oil the whole time, and not Synthetic blend or Semi-Synthetic. So you agree that there are brands, such as BMW & Mercedes that insist that oils not be mixed or changed. Seems like you are just out for an argument. Moving on... |
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 29, 2014 15:23:28 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I haven't seen a 50cc or 150cc or whatever scooter made by BMW & Mercedes!! Most do not know this but I have friends in the car business and the different oil companies make deals with the car dealers to push certain types of oils and or products, they get a kickback, same holds true with prescriptions doctors push that is a well known practice. It is called YOU SCRATCH MY BACK I WILL SCRATCH YOURS   Alleyoop |
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Post by danno on Jul 29, 2014 15:34:27 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA, the old oil saga again, that is like asking someone what beer do you drink, everyone has their favorite and their own opinions. Im going with the synthetic ..I think it taste great and it's less filling!  Btw...I'm pretty sure synthetic is made of 75% regular oil and 25% additives. So it has the same base...so of course it can be mixed. But I'm just a novice at this...CHEERS |
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Post by alleyoop on Jul 29, 2014 15:47:35 GMT -5
You got it BRO use whatever you like, just like everyone else they use whatever they like myself I use 10w40 Castrol GTX oil.
Alleyoop
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Post by rockynv on Jul 29, 2014 23:20:58 GMT -5
When I had a GY6 bike which has no oil filter and just a screen I used the recommended non-synthetic oil since there would be very little benefit to using a synthetic designed to suspend contaminants so the oil filter can pick them up along with the extended oil change intervals that property affords, on a bike with a 500 mile oil change schedule.
In my current bike with an OEM Full Flow oil filter designed to take advantage of synthetic oil along with a 6,250 mile oil change interval I use Amsoil or Motul Full Synthetic Motorcycle/Scooter oil.
There is a big difference in what oil is required to meet a 500 mile oil change schedule and a 6,250 mile schedule with the synthetic along with a high quality oil filter required to get the extra 5,750 miles.
I spoke directly with the engineers at Piaggio USA about the need to use a Motorcycle Specific oil and they confirmed that although most scooters do not have a wet clutch that there are Anti-Coking and Anti-Foaming properties in a Motorcycle Specific oil that are beyond what most Automotive oils contain so you are best off using a Motorcycle or Scooter Specific oil especially on an air cooled scooter. They did state quite plainly that if you have a warranty issue and they find that the Motorcycle/Scooter specific grade of oil listed in the owners manual was not used and an Automotive grade was used instead that they would decline warranty coverage. This is not hearsay but directly from the engineers at one of the worlds largest manufacturers of scooters and scooter engines which are used in Aprilia, Derby, Gillera, Piaggio, Peugeot and Vespa scooters.
You may find a high end automotive oil that is close enough however even on the GY6 you would be best off using a Motorcycle or Scooter Formulated dinosaur oil.
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 30, 2014 7:03:38 GMT -5
Gosh, I didn't know asking a simple question would 'cause someone to feel the need to post nasty replies to folks. Sorry Kwagga about being curious and getting you flamed.
(off topic, but I find it interesting that someone who has such a huge issue getting friendly teasing, has no issue attacking others and calling them ignorant and liars)
>'Kat
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 30, 2014 17:25:58 GMT -5
When I see ignorance, I attempt to correct it. You don't like it, that's your problem.
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Post by bvance554 on Jul 31, 2014 0:01:33 GMT -5
That is 100% bogus. You can mix them all you want and even switch back and forth every oil change and your engine will never notice the difference. I can guarantee you no engine was ever damaged because someone mixed synthetic and conventional oil. Synthetic oil is not a magic elixir. So then you are telling me that you know everything and that all the cases of where motors have been damaged are lies? I mentioned above that there are many different theories, from pro's to the vocal ignorant, but I am not prepared to risk it. On most if not all modern models, BMW & Mercedes insist on synthetic, and will void a warranty if other oil is used. No offence intended, but I will rather follow their advice. I'm not discounting the benefits of synthetic oil even though I believe they're overstated. Today's conventional oil is so far superior to what it once was that the benefits of synthetic are negligible. Of course if my vehicle specifically stated to use synthetic then that is what I would use. But I've never had that experience. The only experience I have had is zero oil related failures from using regular oil and I put a lot of miles on my vehicles. My 'bogus' statement was only regarding the mixing issue. You can mix them... |
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 31, 2014 12:28:47 GMT -5
I use whatever the dollar store has that day (even though they sell it for $3, oh well, dollar store shenanigans). I live and ride in Vegas, and heat is one of the top reasons for oil breakdown, so I change often. When you change your oil every 250-300 miles, the type of oil is not as important.
As for all the arguments about synth vs real, mixing, and potential engine damage, I would like to see some links with photo evidence that any engine damage was caused by properly scheduled oil changes with either type of oil. Otherwise it's just mechanics spouting off about their favorites, and not based on evidence.
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