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Post by ltdhpp on Nov 3, 2013 10:47:20 GMT -5
And itdhpp, while I agree that it wasn't nice if Jim deleted helpful diagnostic tech posts, but the admin restoring all his posts was less nice yet. Esp the way he went about it, behind Jim's back and blocking him. Which was the bigger "eh-hem" move there, itdhpp? I guess it depends on the fine print - if the forum terms indicated that submissions of anything otherwise non-copyrighted do not become part of the 'public domain' of that forum, I guess it goes both ways. I wouldn't expect the owner of a forum to gather an individuals posts, publish a book and keep all the money... but I'd think putting media back in its original context, should a member decide to take their ball and go home, would be legit. I'm an admin in a message board for large automobiles and that's always how we handle such situations. Maybe I should re-read our fine print... lol |
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Post by JR on Nov 3, 2013 11:03:26 GMT -5
And itdhpp, while I agree that it wasn't nice if Jim deleted helpful diagnostic tech posts, but the admin restoring all his posts was less nice yet. Esp the way he went about it, behind Jim's back and blocking him. Which was the bigger "eh-hem" move there, itdhpp? I guess it depends on the fine print - if the forum terms indicated that submissions of anything otherwise non-copyrighted do not become part of the 'public domain' of that forum, I guess it goes both ways. I wouldn't expect the owner of a forum to gather an individuals posts, publish a book and keep all the money... but I'd think putting media back in its original context, should a member decide to take their ball and go home, would be legit. I'm an admin in a message board for large automobiles and that's always how we handle such situations. Maybe I should re-read our fine print... lol
That might be a good suggestion and while I agree that a person deleting material especially if it deals with specific things in helping fix or resolve a problem can be very interrupting it is their right IMO according to the TOS in most cases. You give, you take away.
The only way I know of stopping it to make the forum where one can't delete any posts even if they can delete their membership. Most software can be modified to do just such.
JR
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Post by RapidJim on Nov 3, 2013 15:35:39 GMT -5
In all fairness, If a site/forum wants to have ownership of anything that is posted on their site, then they need to state so in their TOS/Registration agreement. That way the person joining the site/forum knows that anything he/she posts becomes the property of the site/forum. Otherwise the content belongs to the poster to do with as he/she wishes.
Due to the fact that my material is still on that site, it would appear that ADMIN Mike has decided to do as he pleases without regard to the fact that I own my material not him. IMO I would think that he did not learn the last time he did this and was forced to remove all the content he took from the old scoot dawg or he thinks I will not follow up with some type of legal action. I have done some research today and I do have a few options open to me free of charge. LOL those of you that know me know I love research and I make sure I know what it is I am talking about. I love to learn new things.
Jim
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Post by Paladin on Nov 3, 2013 18:33:08 GMT -5
... The comments are property of their posters ...All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners... will be held responsible for the content of any message. ...Nothing in there about them owning or taking ownership of a person's postings. Legally, for over 30 years, you hold the copyright for what you write. Legally, for over 30 years, you have licensed your posting for the use by forum All posters should know that anything they post on the Internet cannot be taken back. |
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Post by Paladin on Nov 3, 2013 18:44:41 GMT -5
... I wouldn't expect the owner of a forum to gather an individuals posts, publish a book and keep all the money... The original person's writing has the copyright. He has implied that the forum has a license to use his writing. No other use has been licensed and no one can legally use the owner's copyright. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 3, 2013 22:29:36 GMT -5
Actually, I believe facebook's terms specify that anything you post becomes their property to use however they want. Unless you find a specific clause that pretty much says you don't agree to that term. Then they can't use your photos and whatever. But unless you activate that clause, what was yours is no longer yours on facebook.
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Post by JR on Nov 4, 2013 0:52:22 GMT -5
Well no doubt Jim felt the posts were his property. Mike thinks he has rights to that property.
Proboards has made it very clear that our members own their posts, not the forum.
We will see how this plays out. Legal minds will determine that. It is probably best for us to just wait for reports from Jim.
Paladin, if you were onforums 30 years ago, you must have been helping good old Al Gore inventing the internet, thanks for all that work.
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Post by rockynv on Nov 4, 2013 4:35:57 GMT -5
30 years ago could have been Power BBS, modems and Bulletin Boards.
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 4, 2013 6:56:03 GMT -5
I remember modems. You dialed the phone, got the squeal, plugged the phone receiver into the cradle, and...I don't remember what after that. I know I didn't chat with anyone. Or post on any sort of bulletin board. Seems to me it maybe gave us access to the programs?
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Post by JR on Nov 4, 2013 8:13:25 GMT -5
... The comments are property of their posters ...All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners... will be held responsible for the content of any message. ...Nothing in there about them owning or taking ownership of a person's postings. Legally, for over 30 years, you hold the copyright for what you write. Legally, for over 30 years, you have licensed your posting for the use by forum All posters should know that anything they post on the Internet cannot be taken back.
Again not so. You have given permission for the forum to use "your" material as long as the material is on the forum. Should you choose to leave and remove your material then they no longer have that right. Since forums with the software let you post they also let you delete, edit, change etc.
Let's also not forget the owner of the forum that Jim is questioning uses a free software, he owns nothing. By the TOS of the software he's using he is in violation IMO. Line 14 of the software clearly states the material belongs to the poster. It's like anything else you own, if you own it it's your right to do what you want and not one place in the TOS says you can't delete your material and the forum admin has the right to re-post something that doesn't belong to him? Lets no forget that when you agree to the TOS you "give" permission for them to use it as they see fit as long as it is on the forum. If they want to keep the material then they should tell you in the TOS that it will forever belong to them and you cannot delete it once you post it. They clearly do not say this in the TOS.
That would be like saying if I buy a car and I don't like it and the original seller telling me I can't get rid of it?
JR
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Post by RapidJim on Nov 4, 2013 11:58:44 GMT -5
I talked with my lawyer this AM. Because of having a business, I have had a lawyer for years and not only that he is a friend. While talking to me he looked at both the TOS for VBullentin and Scootdawg.net. His professional opinion is that I do in fact own the material. Since I deleted the material, ADMIN Mike reposted it , I posted to have it removed in my signature, and that ADMN Mike had banned me so I can not contact him or post on that board, his advice for me is to contact GO Daddy ( Scootdawg's domain issuer ) and VBullentin ( Software he uses ) and request action/advice from them. Emails are sent. He also gave me a bill for his services; a free oil change! LOL! Nice to have friends in high places LMAO. So now it is wait and see. Some of you may wonder why am I going thru all this, the answer is simple, I am the kind of guy that not only protects what is mine, but, hopefully avoid it happening to someone else, which is more important. Have a great day Jim ( I may have taken my ball, but I have not gone home yet!)  |
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Post by loganhes on Nov 4, 2013 12:31:13 GMT -5
Jim,
This whole issue is very intriguing and educational at the same time. Please keep us posted as I am very interested as to how this turns out.
--Jim
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Post by JR on Nov 4, 2013 12:52:03 GMT -5
Here's a twist? www.scootdawg.net/showthread.php?t=53784The admin is clearly saying you can delete your own posts but not a thread, it would be deleting other's material. Now doesn't that just take the cake!  |
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Post by RapidJim on Nov 4, 2013 13:21:14 GMT -5
Here's a twist? www.scootdawg.net/showthread.php?t=53784The admin is clearly saying you can delete your own posts but not a thread, it would be deleting other's material. Now doesn't that just take the cake! True and untrue. You can edit the original post and replace the content with "Deleted". It has no effect on other's material if you do it that way. Now if ADMIN deletes the original post then the software deletes it all. Jim |
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Post by crawdad on Nov 4, 2013 13:22:08 GMT -5
As a suggestion,why don't the individuals with a problem like we have been reading about use the PM and keep the forum clear of this kind of discourse until the problem has been successfully agreed to by both parties? Life is short guys , after all IT IS IN THE RIDE !  |
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