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Post by jdmsoldier on Oct 7, 2013 1:36:20 GMT -5
The gas pump at the station just streams out too much gas for the way my scooter tank is set up. I try to ease off the pump, but every time i put the nozzle in there, gas spits all over. What to do? Rather not fill a gas can first, then pour it in my scooter every time I need gas. Next time I try I think maybe ill pump for half a sec, stop, pump half sec. like that way and see if it works. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Post by pmatulew on Oct 7, 2013 5:23:43 GMT -5
Depends on where and when. I may be imagining it, but whenever the fuel prices go up it seems like the pumps get adjusted to a lower speed so that it is easier to fill at lower speed.
The little bar across the inlet is the problem for me. Seems like no matter what speed I get the nozzle to flow at, the fuel hits the crossbar and splashes out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 7:26:33 GMT -5
That bar can be cut and bent inward. Wont hurt anything. My BMS doesnt even have the bar...
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 7, 2013 7:35:41 GMT -5
Just last week I filled up at a KwikTrip, and the pressure was so great that my calculated MPG was below 50! far too much spillage. I asked if they got new pump motors or something, and the lady claimed the pressure was changing due to the tanker delivering gas... except he had only just pulled in and not even got out of the cab yet!
After a couple days (to let the fuel level get a bit lower in the tank), I attacked that bar - a U shaped bit of metal to detour fuel back into the air. I started out to just bend it, but found I could break it without much effort. Now there is no bar, and the next fill-up was without a splash!
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Post by onewheeldrive on Oct 7, 2013 21:34:54 GMT -5
I have that problem. Some pumps are balls to the wall after barely squeezing the handle. I've learned what pumps are more "user friendly" over time--- which happens to be the one closest to my house.
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 8, 2013 5:29:11 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand about the little bar of metal. Mine must not have it 'cause I just stick in the pump nozzle same as with my car and set it to the lowest flow. Clicks off when it's full, same as my car.
I take it this isn't how yours works with that bar? Why is it there? What's it supposed to do? Besides spill gas, that is....
>'Kat
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Post by sailracer on Oct 8, 2013 7:05:56 GMT -5
I'm glad you guys are discussing this.I was thinking of removing the bar in mine two months ago for just the same reason.I was however reluctant.Now that I see it's somewhat of a common problem, I'm going to remove it as well.As far as the pressure changing due to the tanker truck, :)That's a new one. I think the newer systems have higher flow rates. Maybe something to do with the fume reclamation systems. If I go to a place with older pumps,I find that I can control the flow easier with the pump handle. Anyway, I too was questioning the purpose of that bar. apparently, It's there to aggravate us.
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Post by larry001964 on Oct 8, 2013 7:26:54 GMT -5
Most pumps have two speeds, ( at least at prepay ) If you purchance say 20 dollars, it pumps fast until you reach about 2 dollars then pumps slow, simply keep your fuel purchases two dollars or under, this keeps the pump in it's slowest speed.
Also keeping the nozzle to a 45 degree angle with the bulk of the nozzles opening to one side of the bar helps.. I get very few splatters this way.. I like cutting the bar idea, have considered it myself, but until i do this works pretty well.
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Post by urbanmadness on Oct 8, 2013 7:27:15 GMT -5
We have vapor recovery nozzles here in california... I don't know about other states... here it's a real pain... you have to pull back the rubber boot, then you can pull the trigger... Takes me about 2 minutes to pump in 1 gallon of fuel while bending over in an awkward position....
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 8, 2013 8:10:05 GMT -5
Many pumps can be varied on the rate of flow, not counting where you set the latch to hold the valve open. Usually I just keep the flow slow, and I'm good. But that day at the KwikTrip, it seemed there was only ON or OFF. I couldn't manipulate the flow. I also notice at busy stations, especially if there is a customer on the other side of the pump, maybe clicking on and off like topping their tank, will cause the flow rates to vary on my side too. That KwikTrip is a busy place, and normally I do not have trouble there. That bar may be there just to make sure you have to manually watch the level and not just set it on automatic. Here is a picture of what it is like, not all are the same, this one doesn't look U shaped www.amazon.com/50cc-4-stroke-Scooter-Gas-Tank/dp/B0072IQ7K0 |
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Post by prodigit on Oct 8, 2013 9:24:22 GMT -5
it's probably an issue for all scootards, spilling gas.
Depending on where I go, some of the pumps have a way of pumping slower when pressing in the lever only a tiny bit.
My ATM and EVO does not have a bar in there, so I try to pour gas in the tank in an angle. It seems to help some bit.
And when I get to a gas station where the pump is not going slow, I just click on-off-on-off-on-off. I know it's bad for the gas station's pump, but then again, they should have provided for a solution there!
I often lose between 1 and 3% of gas per fill-up on spills. I also only fill up when the tank is almost completely empty. I try to avoid going to the station with half a tank left.
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Post by JerryScript on Oct 8, 2013 17:14:26 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand about the little bar of metal. Mine must not have it 'cause I just stick in the pump nozzle same as with my car and set it to the lowest flow. Clicks off when it's full, same as my car. I take it this isn't how yours works with that bar? Why is it there? What's it supposed to do? Besides spill gas, that is.... >'Kat scooter150cc posted a thread on the PDI he did to his scooter, including cutting and bending that exasperating bar across the gas tank tube, he posted two pictures showing how he cut and bent it, part two in the OP of this thread: itistheride.boards.net/thread/3438/znen-zn150t-scooter-tips-mods |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 17:56:15 GMT -5
I believe that the bar is the absolute highest level of fuel that should be in there. Anything above the bar is too much.
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 8, 2013 19:17:37 GMT -5
Okay, seriously, how do you fill up at all with that thing across there? You just stand there holding the nozzle? Really??
Oh my friends, just cut the bar. Really. Join the ranks of those who just stick in the nozzle, turn it on, then lean against the pump waiting for the click.
I'm not kidding. That's really how I pump gas. And I've only spilled gas once when it dribbled out before I put the nozzle in.
Wow that's an awful design!
>'Kat
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Post by JerryScript on Oct 8, 2013 20:02:32 GMT -5
Only reason I can think of to have anything like that in the gas tank neck would be to support some sort of pre-filter. Perhaps such things are necessary in China if the fuel is not very pure/clean. Even then, it would need to be deeper IMHO.
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