|
|
Post by spandi on Aug 1, 2013 22:11:29 GMT -5
Ran into this thread while researching how to prevent crank bearing failure (which my scoot is prone to) The guy giving the information (w/Eric Clapton avatar) says he's a chemist, and from the technical data he gives to back up his case I don't doubt it. Basically it's his contention that "unfiltered" scoots (no paper) need the added protection of synthetic oil MORE and with frequent changes provide superior protection to any dino oil. totalruckus.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73173&start=0 |
|
|
|
Post by jerseyboy on Aug 1, 2013 22:16:59 GMT -5
Im gonna change mine every 500 miles with synthetic,,its only $6 for the rotella full and it takes me a dogs age to put that many miles on it anyway...common,,its a china girl,if you where spinnin 6-8k RPM everytime I took you out for an hour or so you would like the better oil,,we need to spoil her a little right  Also noticed how fast it gets dirty,,even at a 500 Km oil change its already getting that dark brown look to it... |
|
|
|
Post by skuttadawg on Aug 1, 2013 22:48:28 GMT -5
I use Castrol Synblend since its dino and synthetic blended together . I have heard some unhappy results from using Royal Purple . Any brand name car oil should be fine just change every 1,000 miles or less and clean the oil screen each time
|
|
|
|
Post by scootnwinn on Aug 1, 2013 23:25:25 GMT -5
I use synthetic but make sure it has no detergent. Without a filter all the impurities will flow through your engine instead of staying at the bottom safely
|
|
Sophomore Rider
Currently Offline
Posts: 117
Likes: 9
Joined: Apr 5, 2013 0:43:47 GMT -5
|
Post by bvance554 on Aug 1, 2013 23:32:03 GMT -5
I use synthetic but make sure it has no detergent. Without a filter all the impurities will flow through your engine instead of staying at the bottom safely They make nondetergent synthetics? Must be a specialty oil, I've never heard of one. But then again if its not on the shelf at Walmart i haven't heard of it. As for the article, i'll just keep using dino. Synthetic oil is not nearly as superior to dino as it once was. |
|
|
|
Post by scootnwinn on Aug 1, 2013 23:35:35 GMT -5
Yes they make synthetic formulated for air cooled motorcycles nothing else should be in your bike. Dino oil is fine but again it needs to be formulated for an air cooled motorcycle. I have yet to find anything at WalMart that will go in any of my bikes.
|
|
|
|
Post by spandi on Aug 1, 2013 23:53:23 GMT -5
I use synthetic but make sure it has no detergent. Without a filter all the impurities will flow through your engine instead of staying at the bottom safely I've gone back and forth on this issue, but it seems our chemist friend has a different point of view.  |
|
|
|
Post by scootnwinn on Aug 2, 2013 0:01:29 GMT -5
I am sure there are online "chemists" who disagree. In fact the actual for certain chemists the manufacturer employed to insure customer satisfaction disagree with him. I'll believe the guys that made the bike over an online scientist any day. Are you saying they recommend non detergent oil because they are hoping for premature failure?
|
|
|
|
Post by devo344a on Aug 2, 2013 1:11:58 GMT -5
I use the cheap wally world or advancds oil I change it at about 300to 400 miles its cheap enough to change it that often
|
|
|
|
Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 2, 2013 2:35:45 GMT -5
Only non-detergent oil I run into is just 30w.
You run these BBK's full throttle for 100+ miles a week, your not gonna hit 30k miles without a rebuild, I'm telling you--- for the 139qmb's. I don't care if you have a goldmine and change/use Royal Purple or any other expensive oil EVERY DAY--- it's not gonna happen. The quality of parts isn't good enough for these cheaper scoots engines to last forever, and it's not worth the pain in the wallet if it does--- I'd rather fork out a few extra bucks minus super expensive oil changes, and buy a new engine at some point in time.
I've been through a few rebuilds(cranks-not just the topend) and a few engines. I've tried every oil out there---dino/syn. I'm over it.
|
|
|
|
Post by spandi on Aug 2, 2013 2:46:46 GMT -5
Yes they make synthetic formulated for air cooled motorcycles nothing else should be in your bike. Dino oil is fine but again it needs to be formulated for an air cooled motorcycle. I have yet to find anything at WalMart that will go in any of my bikes. Who knows? (Are you implying it's how Vespa sells more of their overpriced mechanical fashion statements?) ;D Now all kidding aside, I think the idea of holding the particulate matter in suspension (especially when there is no paper type filter) until it can be drained out with the oil (along with removing sludge) just makes sense, and remember, we are talking about oil changes every 500-600 miles. |
|
|
|
Post by scootnwinn on Aug 2, 2013 9:54:17 GMT -5
Well like the post above says since they used a touch of cheese in the alloy when the built them it likely doesn't matter either way... I see it working out both ways but I'll stick with the manufacturers recommended oil
|
|
|
|
Post by spandi on Aug 2, 2013 10:23:12 GMT -5
Well there's bound to be some differences. Your's is air cooled is it not? Mine is water cooled (well liquid cooled anyways) And speaking of cheese, have you noticed how "Blue" cheese is really a kind of Green and Cream White? And you know what Charles' favorite snack next to Jalapeno peppers is?.....You guessed it! Mmmm-mmm Good!  |
|
|
|
Post by scootnwinn on Aug 2, 2013 12:18:45 GMT -5
Your a nut. You realize there are lots of differences mines a 2 stroke and yes I run synthetic or synth blend because of the lower amounts of soot though not the lubrication necessarily... I have no filter... And I will reiterate, Charles can only eat what he can catch I've actually thought of calling her Jalapeno in honor of your excessive silliness. When do we race again???
|
|
|
|
Post by spandi on Aug 2, 2013 12:32:26 GMT -5
True I may be a nut, but ya gotta give me props for the segue on cheese. ;D
|
|
