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Post by prodigit on Jun 14, 2013 14:03:58 GMT -5
Bwader basically got my thoughts on what I wrote.
Doesn't really matter if one is a v-twin and the other is a P-twin, they're both twins,
twins have lower MPG, and higher HP/torque usually.
That being said, the TU250x has enough HP to go on the interstate, and definitely on the highway, so it's good enough. Though I'm not willing to pay $2-3k more for a bike that can do exactly the same, only at ~10MPH lower.
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Post by bwader on Jun 15, 2013 17:52:03 GMT -5
Yeah if I was going for more horsepower a 2 cylinder engine bike would be the way to go.
I like 1 cylinder to worry about and a little better gas mileage.
Just going off the theory of 2 cylinders in an engine VS 1 cylinder.
The more cylinders = more parts , more power, more fuel burned or less mpgs, better looking.
VS single cylinder = less parts, better mileage, less power, simple
2 cylinders is cool looking though I'd choose a single cylinder bike.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 15, 2013 22:20:17 GMT -5
 Most chinese bikes are single cylinder bikes, and can be tuned to have great gas mileage. My bike has a choke. I can manually adjust it to run at peak performance (by slightly opening it, I can adjust the AF ratio). I can also run leaner than optimal, though I prefer to get all available power to my wheels. To have a choke, is wonderful!
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Post by averageguy on Jun 16, 2013 0:54:00 GMT -5
[replyingto=prodigit]prodigit[/replyingto]Something like this might be a cheaper option. www.iheartscooters.com/scooters/sym-Wolf-Classic-150.phpThey sure look cool. Remind me of the old Honda XL's. I'd probably buy one of these if I had room in the garage ;D. I was all set to buy a TU250X but couldn't find one anywhere. All the dealers here were out of stock. |
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Post by prodigit on Jun 16, 2013 12:12:34 GMT -5
I love the sym, but at $3k it's not really worth it; Besides all that chrome is actually steel, and going to rust in a few weeks! I like that it's a manual geared 150! Great on gas, has a rear sprocket that you can change (because like usual, these bikes are always tuned too low in gears), and it's got a tach, something my bike doesn't have. But I don't think it's worth the 3k price! For that reason I bought this one: www.superiorpowersports.com/127cc_motorcycle_p/rk127mc-05.htmAt just over $1k shipping incl. it's a steal! I atually bought it a bit cheaper than what it is online right now! It has it's problems, but nothing you can't work around! Stock, it's a great replacement for a 50cc scooter; but it's not going much faster than a tuned 50cc 4 stroke. With a sprocket change, I will be able to get more out of it! |
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Post by bwader on Jun 16, 2013 16:49:21 GMT -5
I love the sym, but at $3k it's not really worth it; Besides all that chrome is actually steel, and going to rust in a few weeks! I like that it's a manual geared 150! Great on gas, has a rear sprocket that you can change (because like usual, these bikes are always tuned too low in gears), and it's got a tach, something my bike doesn't have. But I don't think it's worth the 3k price! For that reason I bought this one: www.superiorpowersports.com/127cc_motorcycle_p/rk127mc-05.htmAt just over $1k shipping incl. it's a steal! I atually bought it a bit cheaper than what it is online right now! It has it's problems, but nothing you can't work around! Stock, it's a great replacement for a 50cc scooter; but it's not going much faster than a tuned 50cc 4 stroke. With a sprocket change, I will be able to get more out of it! I've looked at that one before, looks like a wasp. |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 23, 2013 11:16:43 GMT -5
I love the sym, but at $3k it's not really worth it; Besides all that chrome is actually steel, and going to rust in a few weeks! But I don't think it's worth the 3k price! Wow, you sure know a lot about something you never owned! I did own one, and it was worth $3000. No rust ever,  mpg and 70 mph top speed. It never broke, and ran like a champion from the beginning without replacing or fixing anything. It had a very nice suspension and handled really well. A fun, reliable and economical machine that will keep running for a long time...   |
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Post by rockynv on Jun 24, 2013 21:24:40 GMT -5
A single cylinder engine can have as much hp as the same displacement twin cylinder engine it is just that twin will generally run smoother. They call singles thumpers for a reason. My single cylinder 250 has about the same hp as the Suzuki Twin however the Aprilia 250 single is a high compression engine.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 24, 2013 21:41:48 GMT -5
gitsum: Nice it works out for you. You're in the desert. I'm in hot and humid S florida, and even my Honda VT-750 starts corroding (and that's a real honda, not a korean or chinese model). I guess the humidity over there is just too low to start corroding. The one I have now, is 125cc, top speed of 60-65MPH (depending on the wind), and 100+MPG.
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Post by scooter12 on Jun 24, 2013 21:48:50 GMT -5
No, but the Chinese come up with funny bike names... lol.. Like Yamasaki.. I thought up a name crossing a Suzuki and Kawasaki.. Kawazuki..lol
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Post by prodigit on Jun 24, 2013 21:52:41 GMT -5
Yamasaki would be more Japanese.
What would be Chinese would be like Pong Cheng, or Chin Tow.
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Post by rockynv on Jun 24, 2013 22:14:52 GMT -5
Yamasaki would be more Japanese. What would be Chinese would be like Pong Cheng, or Chin Tow. "Changzhou Yamasaki Motorcycle Company is located in Changzhou City, Jiangsu province, within the Yangzi River Delta which is the most civilized area in China. Changzhou Yamasaki is an integrated entity including the development, production and sales of motocycles, scooters, three wheel bikes, Go cart and electric bikes, scooters." See: www.yamasakimotor.com/en/home.aspwww.yamasakimotor.com/en/products.asp?SortID=14They seem to make a number of interesting bikes. Check out the Flex 49cc folding bike with stainless steel frame: www.yamasakimotor.com/en/products01.asp?ID=279The name seems to be taken from a Japanese City known for motorcycles however the company is in China. I am beginning to believe they get the names from a Japanese Atlas or Phone Book. |
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Post by scooter12 on Jun 24, 2013 22:15:01 GMT -5
My Chinese 250 is still running good after 5 years of owning. Can do 70 mph into Jefferson City MO on 54 Expressway from Fulton. I don't see any point in buying a higher quality scooter, when this one does everything I need it too. Runs great.. It has 6700 miles on it.  It really depends on several factors to why I would choose a Jap bike over a Chinese bike. If you plan on long commutes daily, well the Jap bike is better, but if you plan on 15 miles rides and every year a 250 mile ride- well a Chinese scooter might get you by. Attachments:
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Post by spandi on Jun 24, 2013 22:28:21 GMT -5
The Chinese are going to do to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the British and American motorcycle/motor scooter manufacturers. That is in effect put them out of business. They have the resources, manpower, and technical ability to accomplish this goal. The QC will come in time. YOU CAN'T STOP THE DRAGON.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 24, 2013 22:31:07 GMT -5
And according to poster above, they also start copying Japanese names.
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mpg and 70 mph top speed. It never broke, and ran like a champion from the beginning without replacing or fixing anything. It had a very nice suspension and handled really well. A fun, reliable and economical machine that will keep running for a long time...
