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Post by chewbaca on Jul 2, 2018 16:13:44 GMT -5
its not as if it even matters made in China or not
where in China and when
it's more important that it be made by an experienced company with good quality
the new Japanese factory with a poor record and no experience isn't going to be better than jmstar or johnway two companies with some experience
and on the other hand honda has had plenty of growing pains
and now has really good quality and really high prices to.
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Post by mjsfoto1956 on Jul 2, 2018 17:53:18 GMT -5
the new Japanese factory with a poor record and no experience isn't going to be better than jmstar or jonway two companies with some experience In theory yes. In practice no. The difference is that the bar is set much higher in Japan. If you are going to succeed, at the very least you need to match the bar wherever you are. In China, the bar is much lower. Eventually they may catch up... or maybe not. It remains to be seen. It took a long time for Japan to embrace quality as job #1. Much thanks can go to an American by the name of Deming. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize. Ironically, Deming was pooh pooh'd by American manufacturers after the war, whereas he was seen as a savior in Japan. |
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Post by larrball on Jul 4, 2018 0:06:29 GMT -5
larrball,
Sounds like lots of interrelated holding companies involved here. I'm not sure anymore if you can actually be sure just WHERE bikes and components are really made...  LOL! Good point Leo, When i did my research before i bought my GS R50 it showed Taiwan and i did a quick search of the VIN number and all was ok. I think at one time a 3 years ago i remember Chicago Scooter Co. being a reseller of some sort of china bikes that just had a name put on them, you know "Buy a conex load of them ... have your brand name put on them" Or Buy 9 get one free <---- LOL [bad joke i know but kinda holds a bit of truth] My best guess is they made there own brand Hints "Genuine Scooter Co." and went with PGO/Motive power. and saved the sister Co for a less experience bike witch may be made in china. "The Go" as it says on the website for Chicago Scooter Co. Leo i think i have a wright up over on 49cc.com when i was looking and then when i bought my bike, but heck my friend, im getting to old to remember everything. HA!  chewbaca, How dare you talk bad about jonway. I had one for 5 years had 5,7XX miles on it after it was re-made in the USA (by me )  Sold it for $300   |
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Post by ruffledridges on Jul 4, 2018 1:48:58 GMT -5
keeping in mind that the US government broke virtually every treaty it made with us taking the land, and still refuse to honor them, it's kind of a moot point to use us in your debate over the current immigration problem.
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Post by w650 on Jul 4, 2018 10:32:59 GMT -5
VIN numbers aren't always what they seem. I had this discussion with Cookies years about Lance. Everyone knows that Lance scooters are built in China by SYM yet they come with an R (Taiwan) designation. Apparently the content on Taiwanese parts on board qualifies them as Taiwanese even though they are assembled and have parts made in China. Let's say the chassis is built in Taiwan but the engine is constructed from Chinese metal to SYM specs? Which would be more important to you. The engine or the frame?
The world is too interconnected these days. Increasing tariffs just hurts everybody.
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Post by cookees on Jul 4, 2018 12:48:12 GMT -5
Just turned my ASUS laptop over....it's made in China. Been fantastic all these years and continues to be so.
BTW... just reacquired a Burgman 400 and sold my Lance PCH 125.....both great bikes
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Post by ruffledridges on Jul 4, 2018 15:07:34 GMT -5
always better to maintain the status quo if it works for you, America will do just fine with around a 30/70 division of wealth, at least if you're in the 30%, just don't be so ridiculous as to promote the idea that there's room at the table for everyone when there isn't under the status quo.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 4, 2018 21:44:03 GMT -5
At this point in the game it really doesn't seem to matter much where the "origin" of parts is. Most EVERYTHING is made of parts from EVERYWHERE, in places ALL OVER THE PLANET.I've been so intrigued by my Honda Accord UEX that I've done some digging... OK, it IS a HONDA. Made in 2004. Most of the body/interior was made in America. The ORIGINAL factory performance engine, tranny, suspension, brakes, headers/straight-pipes, 200-mph wheels and other components came by order from Honda Performance in Japan. The roll-cage and harness (long since removed) were dealer-installed American aftermarket.
The whole enchilada was assembled in Tennessee... And not street-licensable.When the original owner decided after two seasons on the track, to convert the frisky little hamster to street-licensed status, the street-chip came from Mexico. THAT little piece of legality took her 3.0 VTech motor from around 490hp down to 257hp. Dang! But she DOES give good mileage...The new street headers, mufflers and pipes came from the dealer's stock... muffs marked "made in USA". The interior (all cowhide except for the driver's seat) has some pieces not marked, some made in USA. The lone upholstery exception is the driver's seat, finished in thick horsehide. A teensy tag inside the seat back says: "Performance USA". Fortunately for me, the original fuel-injection, "slingshot" first-gear tranny and boat-anchor brakes from the original build remain... and all work to perfection in street-trim!  While being a limited ('03 &'04 only: they just could NOT beat those 656hp Caddies...) and an "unusual" original build for the track, the plethora of countries of origin for parts is pretty vast. When all is said and done, I'm MORE than happy with the finished product. Saved from trashing on the track and morphed into a silent, trouble-free and more fun than a 14-year-old grocery-getter has any right to be ride... I really don't worry about WHERE "Rhonda II" was made. I just enjoy the ride! She'll get a bag of cat food home from Wally World in short order! Once in a while, giving a tuner kid a bad hair day in the process... LOL!I guess the moral of the story is: "If you like it, don't worry so much about where it comes from..." 
Ride it safe! Wherever it comes from...Leo in Texas
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Post by pistonguy on Jul 11, 2018 13:56:57 GMT -5
At this point in the game it really doesn't seem to matter much where the "origin" of parts is. Most EVERYTHING is made of parts from EVERYWHERE, in places ALL OVER THE PLANET.I've been so intrigued by my Honda Accord UEX that I've done some digging... OK, it IS a HONDA. Made in 2004. Most of the body/interior was made in America. The ORIGINAL factory performance engine, tranny, suspension, brakes, headers/straight-pipes, 200-mph wheels and other components came by order from Honda Performance in Japan. The roll-cage and harness (long since removed) were dealer-installed American aftermarket.
The whole enchilada was assembled in Tennessee... And not street-licensable.When the original owner decided after two seasons on the track, to convert the frisky little hamster to street-licensed status, the street-chip came from Mexico. THAT little piece of legality took her 3.0 VTech motor from around 490hp down to 257hp. Dang! But she DOES give good mileage...The new street headers, mufflers and pipes came from the dealer's stock... muffs marked "made in USA". The interior (all cowhide except for the driver's seat) has some pieces not marked, some made in USA. The lone upholstery exception is the driver's seat, finished in thick horsehide. A teensy tag inside the seat back says: "Performance USA". Fortunately for me, the original fuel-injection, "slingshot" first-gear tranny and boat-anchor brakes from the original build remain... and all work to perfection in street-trim! While being a limited ('03 &'04 only: they just could NOT beat those 656hp Caddies...) and an "unusual" original build for the track, the plethora of countries of origin for parts is pretty vast. When all is said and done, I'm MORE than happy with the finished product. Saved from trashing on the track and morphed into a silent, trouble-free and more fun than a 14-year-old grocery-getter has any right to be ride... I really don't worry about WHERE "Rhonda II" was made. I just enjoy the ride! She'll get a bag of cat food home from Wally World in short order! Once in a while, giving a tuner kid a bad hair day in the process... LOL!I guess the moral of the story is: "If you like it, don't worry so much about where it comes from..."
Ride it safe! Wherever it comes from...Leo in Texas An things were going so well. I know cuz the kid at the Honda dealership told ya so. Yes us industry calls it the ECU "Bullchip" was in there.. |
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Post by pistonguy on Jul 11, 2018 13:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by cyborg55 on Jul 12, 2018 9:49:39 GMT -5
Here we go again!!! Why in heavens name would anyone want to disassemble a hand crafted car that’s worth upwards of $100,000+ and used retail it for like no money?,, they built (honda) 10 Indy pace cars ( Accord bodies)that were no where near 200 mph machines,, and not available for sale to the public period,, the engines were built specifically for these cars and were worth in access of $50,000 each,, that would be like cutting up a Van Gogh to patch a hole in a painting done by a student in art school
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Post by pistonguy on Jul 12, 2018 19:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by pistonguy on Jul 12, 2018 20:00:34 GMT -5
Since the thread was jacked I need some help I have this stock Coyote on the Fast engine management system and I can't up down or sideways chip it, flash it or lap top it to up or down 200+hp. this is what I call a dummy to finish dressing the car out it is a fully functional out of the crate Coyote, whatever the hp they make google it I guess  |
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Post by pistonguy on Jul 12, 2018 20:04:30 GMT -5
Now this is the Hot Rod Coyote on the same FAST engine management system, Unk Roy would tar and feather me if I posted hp and torque numbers on this. And I can even less chip it, flash it or lap top it up down or sideways 200hp. Any help on this I and Fast would appreciate it..  |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 12, 2018 21:22:48 GMT -5
That engine is a Coyote, as in A.J. Foyt Coyote engine?
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